Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVIII: The Play’s The Thing… - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aiwendil · 03-02-2006, 09:06 PM

Farael wrote:

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What's the point of putting it that way? We are all aware that our only known innocent is Formen.... but most of us will give SPM and Nilp a break given their votes for Eomer. It's weak but we need to start crossing names off the list and their votes for SPM is a moderately good reason to do so. You seem to add names back into the list, what for?

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? You've again confused me. All I've been trying to say is that I think it probable that both you and Glirdan are wolves but possible that only one of you is, and that the other is one of the other three.

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I think I was just morm's second option and that Kath's vote settled it with regards that he would not vote for tar to close the voting just yet.

For once, I actually agree with Farael. Mormegil seemed to have been hesitant to vote for Farael because of the ratio of the votes earlier. But with Kath's vote for Tar, he went ahead.

Farael · 03-02-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aiwendil

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? You've again confused me. All I've been trying to say is that I think it probable that both you and Glirdan are wolves but possible that only one of you is, and that the other is one of the other three.

Sorry, I missed this.... what I was saying is that you were arguing the obvious, which may or may not be an attempt at seeming useful while still not risking a thing. I would greatly appreciate it if you took at least ONE risk... even if it is going after my neck.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-03-2006, 12:36 AM

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The more I hear from Aiwendil the more I find myself trusting him. (morm @431)

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My opinion of Aiwendil is that he's more innocent today than yesterday and I appreciate SpM's analysis of him however I cannot shake the problematic defense of Eomer and the 'saving votes' I noted earlier. (morm @452)

Knowing morm he wouldn't go after a potentially useful villager on basis of such equivocal evidence. He'd rather go after the two non-voters, perhaps until Kath's strange vote made him change his mind.

Which means Aiwendil was most likely safe from the Hunter. Perhaps (if our assumptions are correct that either Glirdan or Farael is a Werewolf) a wolf-Aiwendil's buddy was in danger of being hunted, but he was safe.

Why this sudden attack on him?

I don't know. It slipped my mind the previous DAY, but Boro's death was an absolute suprise for me. They took the chance to get a true Gifted instead of going for the easy kill. Perhaps they feared that with the tandem still alive, they could declare themselves the next DAY and take the initiative from the Werewolves.

There's some very deep tactical thinking going on inside at least one of our remaining fiends. Unless I'm seriously wrong about Sauce, it points to Aiwendil.

Formendacil · 03-03-2006, 02:00 AM

After a good eight-hour shift of work, five runny noses, a Tropical Hawaiian pizza, and a chance to browse the thread...

...I am even more convinced that Aiwendil is probably a Werewolf. If not, we are doomed, of course, blah, blah, blah, blah. I, I think, am probably doomed tonight no matter what (although the Werewolves could leave this clueless villager standing and go after SPM or something).

Anyway, why do I think Aiwendil a Werewolf?

Reason the First: He's still alive.

Normally, this is what SPM or Morm would come in for about this point in the game, assuming that one of them was alive, but I think it's merited for Aiwendil as well. He is not, by and large, a player who tends to last far into the game. He's the sort that the Werewolves kill early: because he's cautious and thus leads little trail back to them, but because he's also smart and potentially dangerous.

The fact that Aiwendil is still alive worries me.

But a lot more worrisome to me is Aiwendil's strong interest today in staying alive. Now, none of us want to die, but most accepted Innocents tend to take it in stride as a natural course of events, eventually. A Werewolf, however, because the power of Life and Death is concentrated in his hands, doesn't tend to sacrifice himself or to be willing to die- even if it's really bad for the village.

Quite frankly, Aiwendil has seemed more anxious to hold onto his life than normal- normal for himself or normal for an Innocent. In my opinion, this is rather indicting.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-03-2006, 02:27 AM

I'm seriously considering voting for Aiwendil, unless something interesting happens in the next few minutes . . .

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-05-2006, 02:35 AM

I expect more from you than this shrill defence of yourself.

We need thoughts. Views about the remaining villagers not stemming from anger over the accusations hurled against you.

Got it?

03-03-2006, 02:00 AM	#4
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,330	After a good eight-hour shift of work, five runny noses, a Tropical Hawaiian pizza, and a chance to browse the thread... ...I am even more convinced that Aiwendil is probably a Werewolf. If not, we are doomed, of course, blah, blah, blah, blah. I, I think, am probably doomed tonight no matter what (although the Werewolves could leave this clueless villager standing and go after SPM or something). Anyway, why do I think Aiwendil a Werewolf? Reason the First: He's still alive. Normally, this is what SPM or Morm would come in for about this point in the game, assuming that one of them was alive, but I think it's merited for Aiwendil as well. He is not, by and large, a player who tends to last far into the game. He's the sort that the Werewolves kill early: because he's cautious and thus leads little trail back to them, but because he's also smart and potentially dangerous. The fact that Aiwendil is still alive worries me. But a lot more worrisome to me is Aiwendil's strong interest today in staying alive. Now, none of us want to die, but most accepted Innocents tend to take it in stride as a natural course of events, eventually. A Werewolf, however, because the power of Life and Death is concentrated in his hands, doesn't tend to sacrifice himself or to be willing to die- even if it's really bad for the village. Quite frankly, Aiwendil has seemed more anxious to hold onto his life than normal- normal for himself or normal for an Innocent. In my opinion, this is rather indicting. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

03-03-2006, 02:27 AM	#5
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Nearly voting time . . . I'm seriously considering voting for Aiwendil, unless something interesting happens in the next few minutes . . . __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-05-2006, 02:35 AM	#6
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Glirdan: I expect more from you than this shrill defence of yourself. We need thoughts. Views about the remaining villagers not stemming from anger over the accusations hurled against you. Got it? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

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