Survivor: The Second Age

[the phantom]

Aren't you just sick of him?

Not really. I find it difficult to get sick of someone who is so awesome. He is the heir of the Noldorin Kings, the Sindarin Kings, the three great houses of men, and an Ainu. And despite his ridiculously good genes he never gets all full of himself (like Galadriel does).

Elrond was very wise, an expert healer, and a master of lore, but many forget that he was also called in LOTR "hale as a tried warrior in the fulness of his strength".

And here's my favorite description of him, from The Hobbit-

as noble and as fair in face as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer.

And then check out this quote-

The Third Age came to its end in the War of the Ring; but the Fourth Age was not held to have begun until Master Elrond departed, and the time was come for the dominion of Men

Elrond was so important that they did not begin the next age until he left. It was only after his departure that Men could begin their dominion, which makes it quite clear that Elrond, due to his lineage and power, was technically the top authority in Middle Earth. It was no accident that the fate of Middle Earth was decided in Rivendell at the Council of Elrond.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Yes, but Sauron was doing it for militaristic means. Because of their weak will, Sauron was able to use them in a frenzy to beef up his army. The principle is not that Sauron and Heremor and Fuiner were too weak to dominate anybody else, but they were smart enough to realize that theese people would listen to one who seemed supernatural(i.e. maia and Numenoreans) (Elu A.)

I'll say it again:

Anybody, even a pink marshmallow-bred Orc with brains the size of an angels's dance floor, can dominate the Haradrim. Dominating the Haradrim is hardly accomplishment of the hour even for a person of mediocre ability, let alone something you can base a reputation on.

as noble and as fair in face as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer.

Bilbo was bribed.

The Third Age came to its end in the War of the Ring; but the Fourth Age was not held to have begun until Master Elrond departed, and the time was come for the dominion of Men

'twas but a coincidence.

C'mon, you can't use such quotes do defend this character! It's about as factual as the report on White Oliphaunts drinking Anis del Toro on the hills of Ebro!

[Anguirel]

I'm now predicting that Saucie and Kuru wil jump on Elrond, a vast bandwagon of Elrond votes will follow, (not, incidentally, including Lalaith's) and an Elf-slaughtering bandwagon will be set in motion that leaves the Noldor and Sindar completely decimated...

Come on, o Downers. Vote for the tedious Communist Easterling nonentity...

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I'm now predicting that Saucie and Kuru wil jump on Elrond, a vast bandwagon of Elrond votes will follow, (not, incidentally, including Lalaith's) and an Elf-slaughtering bandwagon will be set in motion that leaves the Noldor and Sindar completely decimated...

Come on, o Downers. Vote for the tedious Communist Easterling nonentity...

Yes, amusing isn't it, how any show of SUPPORT for a particular character tends to mobilize the masses against that character...

Well, it seems that we've found one of the Phantom's favourite characters. How long can even the Phantom make him last, I wonder?

[the phantom]

I'm now predicting that Saucie and Kuru wil jump on Elrond, a vast bandwagon of Elrond votes will follow

I hope that doesn't happen. There is a chance that Kuru and SP will find a more logical use for their anti-elvish sentiments, and will vote for someone who truly deserves the boot, such as Amdir.

Yes, the great Amdir, an elf-lord of such great importance that nine out of ten Barrow-Downers have no clue who the little twerp is.

+ + Amdir

I'm hoping I won't have to mount an all out defense of Elrond, but if he comes under fire, I suppose I will- if I have enough time, that is.

Hmm... if all else fails perhaps I will call upon the power of the League of Extraordinary Barrow-Downers.

[Anguirel]

Fighting fire with fire? Go against Herumor and we can be safe in numbers...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I've just been wondering: Why the sudden switch? At first you were interested in getting rid of Fuinur first, but now you go after Herumor. Not that it bothers me in the least; I'm just curious.

[the phantom]

Go against Herumor and we can be safe in numbers...

I'm staying off the bandwagon just for a bit to see what the Alliance of Doom does. If they come out against Elrond then I'll change my vote to Herumor and ask a few others to do the same to save Elrond. This day still has many hours left in it.

[Anguirel]

Well, you see, I recognised in Fuinur a character so boring that he'd actually prove quite difficult to evict. People just won't get excited about him, positively or negatively...

Herumor is a slightly happier medium.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Then Fuinur just might win by apathy. Perhaps I should dig up some dirt on him . . .

Slightly off-topic: I'm quite suprised to that some vote with a space between the two plusses. Sauce, Tuor, tp. Interesting . . .