Survivor: The Second Age

[the phantom]

The Noldor seem to be the top guns in just about everything else

So we should kill them because they are superior?

I have always thought that people who have a grudge against "superior" people and want them out of the way are equally as bad as Hitler and his buddies who wanted everyone who was "inferior" out of the way. It's the same thing.

I've seen that attitude a lot on the Downs over the years, and it makes me sick. I will never vote someone off for being too good, too strong, too powerful, or too awesome, and neither should anyone else. That is a horrid attitude.

and Glorfindel doesn't really have much to do with the Second Age, anyway...

Now that is a reason I can respect. I think Glorfindel would be more of a First Age or Third Age favorite than a Second Age favorite. Because of that, I don't feel the need to mount a huge campaign to save him.

However, I definitely don't want to see Glorfindel go. He is wise, brave, and definitely good, and I think that anyone who would vote to kill him before some of our other options is crazy.

For those of you concerned with the abundance of elves, why don't you kill a Sindarin elf, like Oropher. What did he do, besides get himself and lots of his people killed in the battle against Sauron?

For those of you who want an elf dead, I suggest compromising and killing Oropher.

Now, if you want to kill Glorfindel because he is one of the Noldor, and you are concerned that the Noldorin tribe hasn't lost anyone yet, please remember that there is another tribe that has yet to lose someone- the Elendili!

Surely Anarion doesn't deserve to stand beside his great brother and father. And surely Ohtar, who ran away with Isildur's heirlooms while his company was being attacked, does not deserve a place amongst the great.

For those of you who want to see balance among the tribes, I suggest compromising and killing Ohtar or Anarion.

That is all for now. I have things to do.

[Lalaith]

I will never vote someone off for being too good, too strong, too powerful, or too awesome

So what's your problem with Galadriel, hmm?

[Firefoot]

And you, phantom, don't have enough respect for those who don't get enough credit. Anarion died while trying to defeat Sauron - that's worthy enough. And Ohtar, beloved and trusted by Isildur, is mighty enough in himself. He may not have been the valiant war hero, and because of this merits only passing mention, but why attack him for doing all that he could? He did not "run away" - he followed Isildur's command, which was to save the shards of Narsil at all costs, even that of "being held a coward who deserted me." And that is exactly what you are saying, phantom, you who are so supportive of Isildur would go against Isildur himself!

Sometimes the underdogs deserve a chance to let themselves show their mettle, and that doesn't happen while all these mighty Noldor and high kings are running around (Glorfindel, Elrond, Galadriel, Elendil, Isildur, to name a few). I don't have a grudge against them, but they aren't the only ones who should receive credit. So many other people that aren't mentioned much contributed so much behind the scenes and in smaller but no less important ways. You seem intent on obliterating them. It's like giving all the credit in a movie to the actors but never mentioning the people who made the sets, wrote the script, did the filming, etc.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

It's like giving all the credit in a movie to the actors but never mentioning the people who made the sets, wrote the script, did the filming, etc.

That's rather pious. We all do that. Come on, how often do you think, in the middle of a searing love scene or something, "Oh, I say! We ought to remember the contribution of cinematographer #96!"

[Firefoot]

That's rather pious. We all do that. Come on, how often do you think, in the middle of a searing love scene or something, "Oh, I say! We ought to remember the contribution of cinematographer #96!"

But should it be like that (not necessarily during the movie, but...)? Why do you think they award Oscars for more than just acting? And just because it may be like that, does that mean it shouldn't change - at least here, in this game?

[Anguirel]

You can't beat huuuman natuuure...

[The Saucepan Man]

Firefoot, the illogicality and prejudice of the phantom's position (that the Noldor are wonderful and superior and should not be touched -oh, except Galadriel, of course 'cos she's a girlie - while most of the rest can go and hang) is frankly not worth responding to.

[Kuruharan]

...to cast a vote in an effort for a double lynching...errr...I mean eviction. Did I say "lynching?" What on earth would possess me to say that?

++ Isildur

CHAOS REIGNS SUPREME!!!

EDIT: Something nobody else has mentioned is that Isildur was a notorious Warg hunter.

[Anguirel]

I am prepared to change my vote to Isildur if, and only if, the mighty Lord Celeborn, husband of the gorgeous Galadriel, both of whom are far greater in station than Elrond, is threatened...

My adventures Amanda-seeking in Eregion are following shortly.

[Elu Ancalime]

++Glorfindel
Right, so he was in the Second Age, but what did he do?
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Mercedes-Benz W221 History

[Alcarillo]

++Fimbrethil

Even less of a character than Fuinur. She's mentioned once or twice in The Two Towers, and now she gets her own spot in Second Age Survivor. She's just a filler for the Other Speakers category. And all she did was to provide Treebeard with something to sing about hundreds of years after she left. Not much of a role if you ask me.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I will never vote someone off for being too good, too strong, too powerful, or too awesome

Originally Posted by Lalaith

So what's your problem with Galadriel, hmm?

Oh, sheesh, you don't want me to get started. When I feel it is time to attack her, I will fully explain my reasons.

For now, let me just say that Elrond never gave himself too much credit, you never got the sense that he wanted his subjects to worship him, and most Tolkien fans don't give him too much credit (they usually give him too little). Galadriel on the other hand.....

Now, Firefoot, you are seriously trying to make a case for Ohtar? Saving sword shards does not vault a character into the big leagues. It is absolutely silly that you are even pretending to believe he should not be voted out sometime soon.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Sometimes the underdogs deserve a chance to let themselves show their mettle

The underdogs had their whole lives to show their mettle, and guess what? The amount of mettle they showed was not sufficient to lift them above underdog position.

They are underdogs for a reason.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I don't have a grudge against them (Noldor and Kings), but they aren't the only ones who should receive credit.

I never said they were the only ones who should receive credit. I just think they are the only ones who deserve to finish the game at the top.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

It's like giving all the credit in a movie to the actors but never mentioning the people who made the sets, wrote the script, did the filming, etc.

Maybe so, but the big awards go to the leading actors. Right now, we're deciding who gets the big trophy. You can thank the little people after this game is over.

Originally Posted by Saucy

the illogicality and prejudice of the phantom's position

Illogical? No. If you are unable to see my logic, it isn't because it does not exist- it is because you have too little wit to see it.

And prejudiced? No, I am not prejudiced- I am discriminating. There is a big difference. Discrimination is based on logic and leads to wise decisions. For instance, I discriminate against roads with construction zones and take other roads. I also discriminate against boiling water- I refuse to drink it if it is boiling.

But, of course, you probably are much too enlightened to make cold, cruel-hearted decisions like that. You probably feel sorry for the cup of boiling water that no one will drink, and so will set out to spill all the glasses of perfectly good water so that the scalding water will have a chance to be consumed.

Go ahead. In the meanwhile, smart people like me will try to convince other smart people that scalding water is not fit to be drunk, and that characters like Ohtar and Oropher are not fit to win Survivor.