Survivor: The Second Age

[Anguirel]

I admire heroic military failures. I'm a Celt.

[Glirdan]

++Ereinion Gil-galad

Why is there a Downer in this game? That's just not fair!!!

[the phantom]

Oh, please, not another anti-Noldor band wagon.

Lay off the Gil-galad votes. He is not one of my favorites, but it is ridiculous to cast out the elf that was king for the entire age and helped overthrow Sauron.

For those interested in balance, the Elendili tribe has yet to lose a member. Ohtar seems like a good pick to me.

If you are intent on slaying an elf, do as I suggested yesterday and kill Oropher.

[Anguirel]

Actually, everyone, there's a way of annoying the phantom without voting for Gil-Galad (whom, you have to admit, you really rather like. Last whose realm was fair and free, and all that sort of thing. Face it.)

Notice that the phantom isn't following what would, apparently, be common sense and joining up with me.

Aren't you starting to get a suspicion he rather likes Sauron? All that stuff about the powerful going forward by right?

Now refer back to his first post. He forbids you to vote for Sauron till the late stages of the game.

By joining me therefore you:

A Defy the phantom in the exercise of existential freedom
B Avoid bringing down a pretty decent Elf out of spite, and regretting it afterwards
C If you're the Alliance, gain a measure of revenge
D If you're Eomer, gain my vote for Erendis tomorrow
E If you're in the League, prove you're not a sheep but...an individual!

Vote for the overrated Sauron!

[the phantom]

What have you been smoking, Anguirel?

Notice that the phantom isn't following what would, apparently, be common sense and joining up with me.

Why in the world would it be common sense to join up with you?

Sauron has failed to attract much attention, except from you. Joining with you hardly seems to be a powerful option. Not to mention the fact that, in my very first post, I said that big baddies should be left alone for a while to make things more interesting in the end. In addition, you are trying to get people to annoy me.

So I ask again, why in the world would it be common sense for me to join you?

By joining me therefore you defy the phantom in the exercise of existential freedom

I hardly see how not following my advice somehow equals being free. If someone is free, then they will read what others say and choose whether or not to listen to them. Someone who votes with me is every bit as free as someone who votes against me.

Not to mention the fact that you seem to be asking them to be free from me by becoming a slave to you.

Avoid bringing down a pretty decent Elf

They don't have to follow you to avoid bringing down Gil-galad. They could follow Eomer, lmp, me, or anyone not voting for Gil.

Anguirel, you can choose to deny it, but I know exactly what you are doing. You are attempting to use the power of my name to aid your cause. Simply by bringing the phantom into something, it is pretty much a guarantee you will gain support from people who either love me or hate me, depending on how you used my name.

EVERYONE, I ask that you ignore Anguirel. If you come out against him, he will simply call you a mindless phantom-following sheep, though that is not the case. On the other hand, if you go along with him in an attempt to annoy me, you will only be testifying to the weight and power of my name.

Seriously, Anguirel, it is obvious from this tactic that you are absolutely desperate to get rid of Sauron. Why don't you just hold off for a bit. When the list of characters is more narrow, I am sure you will have less trouble attracting votes. You might even get my vote depending on who Sauron is up against.

[Firefoot]

Or we could just vote out Gil-Galad and annoy both of you...

But I think that who I'd really rather go for is Isildur. As phantom has pointed out, none of the Elendili have been voted out yet, so perhaps it is time for one of them to go. So let's look at Isildur. He basically stands around while Elendil and Gil-Galad basically wipe out and are wiped out by Sauron (talk about filial love...). Then, now that Sauron is all but defeated, in come Isildur and takes away Sauron's ring, giving the final blow to Sauron but not really the most valiant one. And, whammy, it sure doesn't take long for his will to get overthrown by the Ring. Then, at the Gladden Fields, he puts on the Ring and deserts his troops - valiant King Isildur, huh? And he dies as a coward, running from the battle.

But he's a king, you might say, and that merits some level of respect or coolness. But king by what right? By that of birth? So if he was born a complete and utter idiot, he would still be king? Birth takes nothing into account of capability, and at the end of his life, Isildur seems to be pretty well losing it. Let's face it. The guy starts out pretty cool but it's all down hill from the departure of Numenor...

++Isildur

[Lalaith]

You know, I like the way you talk, milady Firefoot. Isildur has always slightly annoyed me. Yes, the Sauron-hand-ring thing was cool, I admit. But he really was a very silly boy subsequently. A bit like those Spitfire pilots who took to drink after the end of the war. As I said before, you should have listened to clever old cousin Elrond....

Ang, I'm sympathetic to your cause, really I am. But we need Sauron around for just a little bit longer I think.
So,
++ISILDUR

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Isildur, Gil-Galad, Sauron? Why on Middle-earth would you want these guys out so early?

++ERENDIS

[littlemanpoet]

++Celeborn

My reasons from above still hold, even if I couldn't save Glorfindel.