The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Fun and Games > Quiz Room
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-08-2006, 04:20 PM   #1
Glirdan
Energetic Essence
 
Glirdan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew
Posts: 3,285
Glirdan is a guest of Tom Bombadil.
Send a message via MSN to Glirdan
Ooooo!! If it's who brought the stuff back to Barad-dur that you're asking about, that would be Shagrat.
__________________
I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!
Fenris Wolf
Glirdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2006, 08:58 AM   #2
Tuor of Gondolin
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles)
Posts: 1,548
Tuor of Gondolin has just left Hobbiton.
Shagrat is one of them. It's actually a tricky question,
on several levels. I considered counting the Watchers,
but wasn't sure how to classify them, so they're not
counted here. But there are either one, two, or more then
two to add. The more then two (maybes) are the orcs
that shot arrows killing two of Shagrat's lads. But since
they aren't mentioned again, and Sam and Frodo got out
without being shot, I suppose you could reasonably
assume they died after unloosing
the arrows? I've also come across a reference to "two"
survivors, and if you consider the question there
is another individual who presumably fits the criteria.

Quote:
What characters based in Cirith
Ungol were still alive (other then hobbits) after
Sam and Frodo left Cirith Ungol?
__________________
Aure Entuluva!
Tuor of Gondolin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2006, 09:18 AM   #3
JennyHallu
The Pearl, The Lily Maid
 
JennyHallu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit.
Posts: 1,628
JennyHallu has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via ICQ to JennyHallu Send a message via AIM to JennyHallu Send a message via MSN to JennyHallu Send a message via Yahoo to JennyHallu
The other would be the Witch-King, as he was away.

But if you admit that, then whatever of his own armies he took with him also survived. I always got the impression the main contingent based there had all left, and Minas Morgul was staffed by a smaller garrison.
__________________
<=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!
JennyHallu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2006, 09:29 AM   #4
Gil-Galad
Psyche of Prince Immortal
 
Gil-Galad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis
Posts: 4,734
Gil-Galad has been trapped in the Barrow!
Send a message via MSN to Gil-Galad
well if the Witch-King is accepted then wouldn't Gothmog?
__________________
Love doesn't blow up and get killed.
Gil-Galad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2006, 11:08 AM   #5
Tuor of Gondolin
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles)
Posts: 1,548
Tuor of Gondolin has just left Hobbiton.
A good point about the Witch-king of Angmar,
but I'm thinking of an orc. (Hint: when last
seen he wasn't very happy with his fellow orcs).

Here's the indication of two surviving orcs (from
Wikipedia)

Quote:
Shagrat was the Uruk in command of the tower of Cirith Ungol, which guarded a pass into Mordor. After the discovery of the unconscious Frodo, he had Frodo put into the highest room of the tower. In a dispute over Frodo's mithril-shirt, most of Shagrat's and Gorbag's Orcs were killed. Shagrat was one of only two Orc survivors. He took the mithril-shirt, as well as Frodo's Elven cloak and Sam's sword, to the Barad-dûr. These were used by the Mouth of Sauron as evidence of
P.S. I think I know the second orc, although if it's the one I'm
thinking of it's a bit of a trick question.

P.P.S. I don't think this reference to two survivors would refer to
Gorbag and Shagrat, since when they were alive Snaga, the
two orcs sent by Shagrat to Sauron, and the orcs firing arrows
at them were also still alive and it's hard to imagine a scenario
where just two of the above could be considered definitively
alive at the same time after fighting for the mthril-shirt.
(Sorry for any confusion here).

P.P.P.S. If there is dispute over the existence/name of this
other orc then Glirdan could be considered the (answrerer ?)
of the question.
__________________
Aure Entuluva!

Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin; 03-09-2006 at 11:18 AM.
Tuor of Gondolin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:04 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.