WWJ VI: Return to Midsomer Mawlin - Kill me again

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Go go gadget bandwagon!

++Kuruharan

I ♥ you, Kuru. *looks sweet*

[JennyHallu]

*checks pillows* I seem to be good, Kuru!


I also think we should be keeping a close eye on Gil-Galad. The man walks around town dressed as a bat...obviously he has deep-seated issues.

And did anyone have a grudge against Mith? It's always the ones with a grudge...

[Kitanna]

1) Diamond- I mean it's such a sweet name, diamond. Everyone thinks diamonds are pretty and sparkly. But all I see when I think of diamonds is a hefty hole in my wallet. Werewolfs=bad, diamonds=bad, put them together. You're all smart

I also think we should be keeping a close eye on Gil-Galad. The man walks around town dressed as a bat...obviously he has deep-seated issues.

If we're going to do things like that I think we should watch out for Firefoot. I mean Mith had received a message before her death saying "Beware the Ides of March" a quote made famous by Shakespeare. Shakespeare who was a writer. Mmmm, and Firefoot is a writer. Coincidence? I think not.

Anywho, I see Fea is abusing the retractable votes deal early on. Why am I not surprised?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Anywho, I see Fea is abusing the retractable votes deal early on. Why am I not surprised?

I'm not abusing it, I'm enjoying it. It's a form of recreation. Much like mormy's drugs.

[mormegil]

I have further substantiation of my theory.

JennyHallu really means AN HUN's JELLY, which of course the Hun's enjoyed their Opium egro kill Mith means more profit.

[Nogrod]

Some people here seem to be emptying their pints with quite a haste?

But maybe we should also use our "little grey cells". Well, basically, that is nothing I have invented myself: it surely was that Belgian guy, much more sophisticated than I am. But as I still am an inspector, I would like to propose an idea to be thought of by us all. I know, I almost got lynched the first day in my last game to go on proposing this, but I might try it again, as this company is made out of experts in this inspecting stuff.

So I propose, we start to insert some pressure on the wolves (or drugdealers, or whatever we have here) by voicing our common concern with the silent partners (silent = not posting, or only posting nonsense). We might even "decide" to go for them as the evening draws nearer, if we don't have better ideas.

Why this way?
1) These silent one's are like submarines: they become all the more nauseating and dangerous as the game goes on, and the number of players reduces.
2) The first day lynching is quite random anyhow, with this one, we could have at least something to stand with (not picking randomly the one who is two names down from oneself in the original list of players - I've seen that reasoning in a game!), and in the worst scenario, eg. there really being people who actually don't play, having them removed in the first day, not dragging them all the way to the more critical situations.
3) It would make the wolves posting during the first day: something that could turn out to be useful later on.
4) These silent ones are not good gaming company anyhow. And any specific RL hindrances should be declared in the admin. thread.

I hope this concern is invalid, and all the players turn up, with something to say. The list looks promising, but still...

And I know, that it's hard to make the difference between nonsense and sense, at least on the first day.

But I hope you consider this.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh fine.

--Kuruharan

I tried. *pouts*

Nogrod, I like your idea. Mercilessly slaughter the quiet ones. If you have a legitimate reason to be away, we'll know it. If you don't, you're simply floating. It's better for everyone if all are forced to participate. That way if somebody, for example, says "Fea's a wolf.", they'll actually have some evidence to back them up.

See? I've learned things in my college writing courses. When you make a statement, you have to back it up. All killing quieties does is ascertain that we'll have our works cited page.

So... can I kill you Nogrod? Please? I need somebody onto whom I can latch.

[Nogrod]

And btw. we really should start with nonsense. I totally agree. What else can we do? But let's just see, who can't come out from it and start making sense as the day goes forwards...

I'll add a piece to this other part of the first day maddness.

= Jenny
And did anyone have a grudge against Mith? It's always the ones with a grudge...

Well, she just made me Hercule Poirot in the introduction, as I am not! Grudge-grudge...

[Firefoot]

If we're going to do things like that I think we should watch out for Firefoot. I mean Mith had received a message before her death saying "Beware the Ides of March" a quote made famous by Shakespeare. Shakespeare who was a writer. Mmmm, and Firefoot is a writer. Coincidence? I think not.

You know, if being accused of werewolvery is what it takes to be compared with Shakespeare... I think I can take that. And if you really want to know if I'm a wolf, compare me to JRRT and you won't even have to lynch me - I'll die and go to heaven.

But if you, Kitanna, are a wolf, I will unfortunately have to conclude that you were on drugs when you said that and assume that it is not true, which would be extremely sad. So don't be a wolf.

[Nogrod]

= Boromir88
So, the first order of business with 3 wolves amongst 13 players means there's an approximate 1/4 ratio.

This I find both intriguing and most fun. So from every randomly picked four people, we will have one wolf listed with them. That's the probability law. And I know, that this "spreading the first day vote" -tactics, kind of clings to just this fact.

It's quite easy to form a group of four from us lot. And still everytime, it would turn out one wolf by the probabilities.

So if I just say, as a way of probing, that both Feanor and Boromir have been very happy to go on making dire accusations, I could have formed a group of two: meaning that there is a 50% chance of another one of them being a wolf! And add Kitanna to that group of accusers, we have a group of three, and so 75%! That same of course applies, if I say, that me and Jenny have played our first ever two games together, so we form a 50% chance to you others - as do Oddwen and Kuruharan, whose names both end with the letter "n" etc.

For this kind of reasons too, I would be sticking more happily to this "not participating" -tactics as a first reason to go on with the votes this first evening.

There are so far 5 people (Diamond, Sleepy, Gil, Azaelia and Oddwen) who have not yet posted anything, due to the timezones, most probably. But if some people still stand on this kind of list as the day draws to a close?

And a random spread-vote has one great problem in it. We risk lynching a vocal (and thence possibly helpful) villager with a probability of 3/4. That's just too much for us villagers, and would suit the wolves just fine... (they won't be wasting their time, during the nights, on the silent ones)

[mormegil]

++Nogrod

Far too eager to lynch the quiet ones. It's only been 3 to 4 hours and he's worrying about this. I won't retract my vote at this point today unless something major comes to light wot wot.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So if I just say, as a way of probing, that both Feanor and Boromir have been very happy to go on making dire accusations, I could have formed a group of two: meaning that there is a 50% chance of another one of them being a wolf!

Um... It's been over a year since I've taken maths and I rather loathed it through highschool, ergo I could be wrong. But if a ratio is 1:4 out of a randomly chosen group, then shouldn't the corresponding ratio of a smaller randomly chosen group be .5:2?

Following Nogrod's example, Boro or I would only be half-lupine by probability.

Or I'm misunderstanding the example?

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

For this kind of reasons too, I would be sticking more happily to this "not participating" -tactics as a first reason to go on with the votes this first evening.

There are so far 5 people (Diamond, Sleepy, Gil, Azaelia and Oddwen) who have not yet posted anything, due to the timezones, most probably. But if some people still stand on this kind of list as the day draws to a close?

And a random spread-vote has one great problem in it. We risk lynching a vocal (and thence possibly helpful) villager with a probability of 3/4. That's just too much for us villagers, and would suit the wolves just fine... (they won't be wasting their time, during the nights, on the silent ones)

I'm sorry, but I honestly don't see where you're coming from. I live in an area (EST) which makes it so hard for me to get online right after the start of the game. My entry times will vary each day, but expect me right around this time on weekdays.

I think your call to lynch the quiet ones came just a bit too early. I can see if maybe I didn't show up until right before the deadline, or had missed the first day entirely without advance notice, then yes. There might be some justification there to lynch me (though I wouldn't be happy about it, of course). But just a few hours late? I'm sure I speak for all of us "silent ones" when I say, please, a little grace period would be wonderful.

And before anyone picks on me for voting early, this is a heads-up. I am going to be voting in a few hours, possibly sooner, because of time constraints again.

And allow me to say, if nothing changes, I will probably be voting for you, Norgod, just because your eagerness to get rid of the people who may not be able to get online for a few more hours just doesn't sit right with me.

Cheers!

[Kitanna]

Well, I see Nogrod has made quite a name for himself since I last checked. His "lynch the silent villagers" plan seems more malicious than wolfish to me.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Why this way?
1) These silent one's are like submarines: they become all the more nauseating and dangerous as the game goes on, and the number of players reduces.
2) The first day lynching is quite random anyhow, with this one, we could have at least something to stand with (not picking randomly the one who is two names down from oneself in the original list of players - I've seen that reasoning in a game!), and in the worst scenario, eg. there really being people who actually don't play, having them removed in the first day, not dragging them all the way to the more critical situations.
3) It would make the wolves posting during the first day: something that could turn out to be useful later on.
4) These silent ones are not good gaming company anyhow. And any specific RL hindrances should be declared in the admin. thread.

His first three points can be seen as reasonable, but his fourth point is more of an attack on anyone who can't get on often. Despite his overeagerness to get the silent ones I'd hesitate voting for him (at this point at least). I feel this move on his part is too wreckless for a wolf. But still Nogrod has raised a few warning flags, yet, for me it is too early to make a desicion that can comdemn him.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Just thought I'd check in. I'm still around; watching. I'm uncertain of my thoughts toward Nogrod. The inexplicably random part of me is calling for a closer look at him. Nobody addressed my maths question, and that makes me sad, since I don't know if I'm right or wrong about the whole probability thing.

The nice calm (read: exhausted) part of me says "Let's let it all wait until tomorrow. We'll think about Nogrod then." The awake part (read: I had caffiene recently) says "It already is tomorrow. It turned tomorrow while you were outlining your term paper in the studio as your screen-filler dried and you were trying to come up with next week's lesson plan. Just lynch him, see if he's a wolf trying to manipulate us, and if he's innocent, feel a bit bad and then take his advice as what it then would obviously be: that of an outspoken innocent. And if he IS innocent, you can take close looks at anybody that voted for him. Evidence is evidence no matter the circumstances under which it is gained."

As you can see, when I'm tired, the voices in my head argue as to what I ought to be thinking about villagers that everybody else thinks are suspicious. I'm rather of the opinion that I should ignore the caffiene, since it's also saying that I should cartwheel down my hall. I haven't seen anything of Nogrod to make me nervous. All of Nogrod's points seemed and still seem pretty valid. What's got me wondering at all is that Zali and Morm seem so worried. Maybe they've seen something I haven't.

Which is why, after this meandering post, I've decided to wait until after class tomorrow (I'll be back around 12:30 PM EST) to make any decisions. In theory, by that point I'll be a bit rested. Try not to kill anyone without me. But talk a lot. Especially the wolves. It would be very nice of you to come out and reveal yourselves. Please? It would be fun. You like fun. Right?

[Diamond18]

Well, I for one still have no idea who to vote for. Everyone seems equal parts suspicious and innocent. I would have to read over everything a few more times to find any clues, but my brain is slowly dying. Posts swim before my eyes as they glaze over. My eyes, not the posts. See? Even my participles are dangling in a weary fasion. Maybe I'll have some of that caffiene Fea is operating on....

I could do the totally random thing and throw out a vote for just anyone, or jump on the Nogrod bandwagon, but I am paralyzed with the fear that whatever I do will cast suspicion. Curses and bother. I think I will check back in the morning (or, as it is in the hallowed hereafter where the ghost of our beloved Mith dwells and dictactes the fates of us all, the evening) to see what other people with more initiative have decided.

[Nogrod]

I thought of opening some discussion. Well, I surely seem to have succeeded. Thanks people for your confidence!

But just to mend some quite clear misunderstandings.

Mormegil: Far too eager to lynch... It's only been 3 to 4 hours and he's worrying this...
Azaelia: ...call for lynch... came just a bit too early.

I think I said it quite clearly: we should consider this, and then make decisions: not on the third hour, but at the time anyone has to make her/his decision.

And Azaelia. See what I write here (in a paragraph you yourself quoted)

= Nogrod
There are so far 5 people (Diamond, Sleepy, Gil, Azaelia and Oddwen) who have not yet posted anything, due to the timezones, most probably. But if some people still stand on this kind of list as the day draws to a close?

So I was not forgetting that people have different timezones: on the contrary, I openly discussed the matter, as you see.

= Oddwen
Who says all the vocal people are helpful? And how do you know the wolves think the quiet ones are a "waste"? So early in the game? And again?

Vocal wolf is helpful for us - at least more helpful than a silent one. And a vocal villager is of help (if s/he's having some substance - I admit that "vocalness" was a wrong choice of a word here: "substantial" is better), as a silent one is not.

And I can't see any reason for a wolf to kill a silent villager during the night. They cause no threat to them, and can be left freefloating for the villagers to be worried about.

And for my "bloodlust" again. Don't be hypocritical about us not needing to vote today. You can think about your reasons for voting at the first minute. I think one should!

And if you search for a quick to hunger blood, take a look at Morm. f.ex.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod
Why this way?
1) These silent one's are like submarines: they become all the more nauseating and dangerous as the game goes on, and the number of players reduces.
2) The first day lynching is quite random anyhow, with this one, we could have at least something to stand with (not picking randomly the one who is two names down from oneself in the original list of players - I've seen that reasoning in a game!), and in the worst scenario, eg. there really being people who actually don't play, having them removed in the first day, not dragging them all the way to the more critical situations.
3) It would make the wolves posting during the first day: something that could turn out to be useful later on.
4) These silent ones are not good gaming company anyhow. And any specific RL hindrances should be declared in the admin. thread.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

His first three points can be seen as reasonable, but his fourth point is more of an attack on anyone who can't get on often.

Well, that was not intended like that. I have been in two games, and at both ones, there have been people who write max. once a day, and say only "Oh how sad X died... boohoohoo..." And that's it. All of it! I don't think anyone likes to play with that kind of players - then see reason 1). We seem to be having something like an example on Gil (again) today. If there are no other posts by him today, then you see what I mean with "silent" or "nonsubstantial"...

I really enjoy playing with someone, who only posts once a day, if there really is substance in that post (well, at least twice should of course be better).

[Oddwen]

Originally Posted by Noggin

there have been people who write max. once a day, and say only "Oh how sad X died... boohoohoo..." And that's it.

True...those people aren't helpful...


And dang, that's all I can think of to say.

[Sleepy Ranger]

The names Ranger, Sleepy Ranger... I'll have a mountain dew, shaken not stirred.

As it is the first day and seeing how someone has to die, don't worry you only live twice, and seeing how I doubt I'll be able to post much more today I've decided to shoot at random. Not that it really matters since I have a license to kill.

++Feanor of the Peredhil

Nothing personal, dear, just about the whole WWJ I thing you see... oh wait... I guess it is personal.

[Firefoot]

Concerning Nogrod's math: I think it is a bit faulty, but I'm too lazy to go and figure out what it ought to be.

It's time for me to vote, and I am wholly undecided. Some thoughts:

B88 did contradict himself on the point of morm, as morm pointed out. He seems fairly eager to get some control in this game, but it seems like I remember that being fairly normal for him. Possibly a vote here, although I am reluctant at this early stage to vote out one of the most substantially-posting players.

Diamond went pretty far into a defense of herself because of the accusation based on her name. I'm not sure it means anything, but I have noticed that newcomer wolves are sometimes overly defensive. I'm not sure this applies here since she sounded fairly even-minded through all of it.

True to form, Gil-Galad has said virtually nothing.

I don't think that Nogrod merits lynching yet.

Shoot, I'm out of time. I highly doubt I'll be on again, and wish I didn't have to make this vote in haste:

++Gil-Galad

About as random as anything, I guess, and with nothing else to go on on the first day, the least helpful players can go first...