Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Just now I'm most interested in what went on with Eomer and LMP yesterday. Does either of them (moreso Eomer on this front) wish to explain themself? I'm not saying they're wolves, I'm just somewhat suspicious, as any villager should be.

tar-ancalime, you make a fair point that Ang had some interesting things to say about me. And frankly, I'd probably have said the same regarding myself in the 'clutching at straws' atmosphere of day one. However, I'm less inclined to look at those who Ang accused directly. We're in a very experienced village, and I don't think the wolves would slip up like that on night one. Now, of course, I ahave just asked questions of Eomer and LMP, who were accused by Ang. However, my suspicions are not based on Ang's accusations, but rather on their suspicious actions. So, if you ask me, Lommy and Kath are probably innocent. And I am too, obviously.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Just another little one to agree with tar-ancalime: at this early stage just monitor any pairish action you think you see. This is helpful because, as t-a said, it prevents layers of falsehood building too readily but also because a longer observation period will allow you to gather more evidence and make it less likely you'll be accused and maybe lynched for making baseless accusations.

[Lalaith]

longer observation period will allow you to gather more evidence and make it less likely you'll be accused and maybe lynched for making baseless accusations

That's not the point, Samwise. The two Seers are the most important innocents. Ords being lynched are an occupational hazard, our priority is keeping the Seers safe for as long as we can.
I personally don't think any accusations about pairwork, however well-founded, should be made while both Seers remain alive.

[Lalaith]

And remember, we don't have a Ranger so an outed Seer is a defenceless Seer.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Fair point, Lalaith. Now, onto darker matters: Lhuna.

Post #123: Lhuna votes for Lalaith. Now, at the time I thought this odd, as it left the tie which Form had created (in itself suspicious) standing. However, I let it pass until post #139, where Lhuna says: 'And the fact that a double-lynch was all too near is a bit disconserting.' But obviously not all that disconserting, as you let the tie stand. What say ye, Lhuna?

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by SamwiseGamgee

Fair point, Lalaith. Now, onto darker matters: Lhuna.

Post #123: Lhuna votes for Lalaith. Now, at the time I thought this odd, as it left the tie which Form had created (in itself suspicious) standing. However, I let it pass until post #139, where Lhuna says: 'And the fact that a double-lynch was all too near is a bit disconserting.' But obviously not all that disconserting, as you let the tie stand. What say ye, Lhuna?

Seriously, Samwise...after suspecting those who voted for tgwbs, how could I bring myself to vote for him to save Garin? I still think he's innocent, just being Nilp to a T. Sure, Lalaith has a point that he could pull off a bluff like that, but right now I believe he's innocent.

I guess approaching a double lynch was inevitable yesterDay because we wanted to save Garin, but that doesn't make it any more comfortable.

[tar-ancalime]

Originally posted by the spawndress:

Actually, at the time when Anguirel mentioned Kath, she had already spoken.

I stand corrected. I did go back and look at her post, and I still think Anguirel's accusation of her was random. Thanks for pointing it out, though--it's always good to have the facts straight.

Now, Lhuna:

I guess approaching a double lynch was inevitable yesterDay because we wanted to save Garin, but that doesn't make it any more comfortable.

"We wanted to save Garin"?

At the time you voted, it was absolutely within your power to tip the scales. I know you also think tgwbs was innocent, but you're not going to gain any sympathy by playing both sides against the middle like that. You chose, actually, not to save either of them. The votes were tied at the time you voted for Lalaith--did you honestly think it through and decide that lynching two people whom you believed to be innocent was better than choosing between them? It's highly unlikely that the votes would have become tied again after your vote--such a dramatic gesture towards a double lynch would be suicide for any wolf or Lover.

[the guy who be short]

I'm back.

I'm still a wolf by the way.

I have many thoughts swirling through my head, but I will hold them for another Day.

Let me just say that we should not focus too much on the votings of the first day. There were 22 villagers, I believe, and... oh, we voted for 10 of them altogether? Impressive.

In that case, I will consider day one votes, for they will not be entirely useless.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

And remember, we don't have a Ranger so an outed Seer is a defenceless Seer.

Don't we? I was under the impression we have one.

EDIT: cross-posted with tar-ancalime, not that it matters but just for the record

[the guy who be short]

On Day one, there is no need for wolves to keep their votes til the end, as they usually do. This is because the village generally plunges itself into confusion anyway.

However, I shall still suspect spawn and Gurthang for late apathetic votes. At such a stage, the sensible thing for a villager to do would be to vote for either Garin or I - whoever looked worst. To throw their vote away reeks of... apathy. Of these two, Gurthang sits worse with me.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

Maybe we should vote TGWBS, he's probably pulling reverse psychiatry (I know that's not the right word) on us. 'No wolf would vote for himself!". Bah! I am unconvinced of that, but remain undecided.

This was shortly after my suicidal post (I'm still a wolf, by the way). It seems he was trying to see if he could garner support for lynching me before commiting himself. Then, when there was a large movement to lynch either me or Garin, he threw his vote away - knowing we were both innocent - sorry, one of us is a wolf, I mean! - so as not to gain suspicion.

I also suspect Farael for being annoyed at me acting as Nilp - but then, for whatever reason, not following in my footsteps. His role was to kill himself. Why did he make a big fuss and not fulfill it?

Formendacil's reasoning also seems a bit iffy.

Meanwhile, LMP seems trustworthy.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by tar-a

I have read those posts. I take issue with your including yourself in that group; that's why I italicized "we."

The operative word in that statement is wanted. Because surely dancing spawn didn't exactly vote to save Garin, did she, because Samwise had already taken care of it?

Originally Posted by spawn

Lhuna, I don't think our votes can be ragarded as helpful when talking about saving Garin.

I'm not quite sure I see what you mean. But surely our votes then are substantial, now that Garin is a proven innocent - right?

It's funny how people *coughcoughspawnGlirdancoughcough* jumped on my "I'm either a bandwagoning wolf or a noncommittal werewolf" statement. Seriously, is this how paranoid you guys have become?

Originally Posted by spawn

Is this a confession - that you're a wolf whatever you do, eh? You know, as far as I know there hasn't been much suspicion of Samwise who 'climbed a Garin bandwagon'. That's because he saved us from a possible death of two innocents.

That's odd. Normally people are suspected when they jump on bandwagons. Samwise jumped on one and now he's getting away with it. Funny how this game evolves.

I could buy it that you're stubborn enough to vote the one you want to even if there's a tie, but that doesn't match with your new, more apologetic behaviour.

How doesn't it? I was stubborn in the way you said it, and the apology was needed because my vote almost ensured an innocent's (from my point of view then, at least) lynching.

If it's the apology that's bothering all of you, fine then. I'm deleting the word "sorry" from my Ened-in-Nowhere vocabulary from now on.

I think I've pretty much explained myself already, and I've wasted too much time on that. I guess it's time for me to reveal my own suspect list. I still have to arrange my thoughts, anyway, so stay tuned. For now, please allow me to point out that two loudmouths are dead, and both are more or less particularly experienced players. What does this tell us?