Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[Glirdan]

Caranlondien

Post #49 - Cries in pity for our Prophet and says we must overcome our grief to find the Werewolves. Says that it would be foolish to lynch Ang as he's the villages only proper lumberjack and also says that he's never seen Ang bring back so much as one piece of firewood. (being slightly contradictive?) Says that it will be difficult to find four Wolves but is heartened by the fact that one is a traitor. Sees no reason for us to not find both Lovers and Wolves.

Post #55 - Agrees with Eonwe that looking for the Wolves would be simpler. Says that as we search for the Wolves, each of us have personal "parameters" that a Wolf would fit and says that the traitor would not necessarily fit these "parameters".

Post #108 - Believes Garin is innocent because of his reactions. Says his vote will not make a significant impact yet he's been suspicious of Ang for awhile. Says he says much yet says little. Votes Ang.

The oddest thing I find about all of this is that Caranlondien says in his very first post that we shouldn't lynch Ang and then, pretty much out of the blue, he votes Ang at a time where it would be a very safe vote and not do any real damage.

I will be back later. I need to go tend to my hut.

[Cailín]

I have little time, so just a few quick reactions.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

How so? I make it a definite seven - four wolves, two seers and an ord lover. Where does the five come in? Has one of us got the wrong end of the stick?

Hmm yeah, you might interpret it either way. By knowing more, I meant knowing the identity of the wolves, while clearly the Seers also know more as they know each other and the true identity of at least two other players.

Just for clarification, dear Prophet, I assume that if the Seers dream of a Lover, they shall only know whether s/he is an Ordo or wolf and not learn of their secret relationship?

Why so, Gurthang? Ang obviously knew no more than any other ord - do you mean he might have inadvertantly stumbled on the truth? A risky ploy to lynch him, surely as the trail leads so obviously back to Kath.

I also, as I stated before, do not really believe Kath to be guilty. If indeed Ang was suspected to be a Seer with a lucky dream, surely the wolves would have thought he'd have voted for Kath. It seems too obvious a set up.

In retrospect, Anguirel was maybe killed for his noble efforts to save Garin.

If an innocent ord spots what he thinks is suspicious pairwork, is it a good idea to bring this up publicly? Might this not alert the wolves to the identity of the Seer pair?

If an ord is sure of their findings, better keep quiet. The same goes for identifying the Lover pair - if neither of them is a wolf, likely we have found the Seers. I shall not change my views: the werewolves are the main threat, not these star-crossed Lovers. If we bring down all wolves, we will find them sooner or later.

Lhuna has been under a bit of suspicion because of her 'noble' vote. I usually suspect wolves to vote early on Day 1 to avoid getting caught up in tallying scores and giving innocents the final blow. I'm not really sure how I feel about Lhuna, and she seems different somehow. However, she was recently a first Day lynchee, if we're going to bring up other legendary werewolf stories anyway, which might explain her being a bit more careful.

I still think he's innocent, just being Nilp to a T. Sure, Lalaith has a point that he could pull off a bluff like that, but right now I believe he's innocent.

Lhuna, TGWBS had already announced he would be pulling a Nilp. So did Farael. Not doing it would make them look more suspicious, which is precisely why I am uncomfortable concerning Farael right now. He might have been very relieved he did not need to be suicidal after all. And as to the short one, his act doesn't make him look better nor worse.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Cailín

Just for clarification, dear Prophet, I assume that if the Seers dream of a Lover, they shall only know whether s/he is an Ordo or wolf and not learn of their secret relationship?

He said so somewhere. Can't just remember when, but I'm sure he said so.

[Thinlómien]

Glirdy, just one thing. Cara is a she.

Despite of your analysis, I don't find her particularly suspiciuos, because:
#1 - She's a newbie to WW. They can play quite strangely. (no offense)
#2 - I'm a flip-floppy person so I don't want to accuse anybody else for it. Or maybe about real flip-flops, but not about changing one's mind or writing weirdly. Cara doesn't explain herself, but I assume that she just changed her mind. Most of people do that quite often.

Though, spawn was correct, there isn't very much to analyse in her. She can be a wolf as well as an innocent.

I plead her and other silent villagers to speak. We really need everyone's opinion, advise (and slips ) to get the wolves.

EDIT: cross-posted with Cailín
edit-add: I say that Cara doesn't explain herself and just voice my assumptions and place a dot. That sounds like would think that her changing of mind needs no explanation. I'm not saying so. I wait that Cara will explain herself.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Caranlondien

[B]Says that it would be foolish to lynch Ang as he's the villages only proper lumberjack and also says that he's never seen Ang bring back so much as one piece of firewood. (being slightly contradictive?)

First off, I'm the lumberjack. I was saying we shouldn't lynch me. As I still unwaiveringly support the idea that I should not be lynched, I hope you shall acquit me of flip-flopping.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Funny, though, how Farael jumped to the defence of Kath and not me, when Anguirel apparently jested with both of us.

I agree that this makes Farael and Kath look suspicious.

I'll be back after I read over some more posts.