Tolkien & The Apocalypse

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by alatar

All of that digging must be affecting my brain - probably radon - not sure what you mean.

eternal fame, assuming there will be others around beyond the circles of this world to recall it.

Originally Posted by alatar

By the by, is there any mention of the causal agent and extinction extent of the Big 2012? And where can I get a T-shirt?

I suspect if we ask Mr. H. Goomba very nicely he might be able to produce such a Tolkien/Barrow downs-inspired product. Imagine a Mt. Zoom going boom!

I haven't checked out the Notion Club Papers yet, but looky what a google produced about Mayans. Their calendar is called the Tzolkin, meaning count of days .

And, and, a search on dictionary.com for further elucidation of the word Tzolkin gives this:

Originally Posted by dictionary.com

No entry found for Tzolkin.
Did you mean Tolkien?

I don't know if there are any harmonic convergences with the Shire Reckoning or the King's Reckoning or the Quenya yén though.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

I haven't checked out the Notion Club Papers yet, but looky what a google produced about Mayans. Their calendar is called the Tzolkin, meaning count of days .

And, and, a search on dictionary.com for further elucidation of the word Tzolkin gives this:

I don't know if there are any harmonic convergences with the Shire Reckoning or the King's Reckoning or the Quenya yén though.

That is indeed slightly sinister. And what about the Maya/Maiar linguistic similarity?


I wonder if the fate of Numenor may be brought to pass? What with Tolkien's dreams about the giant wave engulfing the land and the 2012/Notion Club Papers/Numenorean link? Apparently there is a big slice of Gran Canaria just waiting for a moment to slide off into the Atlantic...

If i continue finding strange coincidences like this I shall have to dig out my old "Y2K Survival Manual" - bought for 49p in January 2000, and a most entertaining read.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

eternal fame, assuming there will be others around beyond the circles of this world to recall it.

If a computer-generated tree falls in a forest or a prophet's works are wiped out in the apocalypse... Not sure. I guess it would depend on the theology of the prophet. What if Mandos told you that it was your job to get the word out? Being a bit skeptical, to me unless there's some payoff, seemingly if you are motivated enough to spend your last days lettting everyone else know then you're either full of altruism or something else.

I haven't checked out the Notion Club Papers yet, but looky what a google produced about Mayans. Their calendar is called the Tzolkin, meaning count of days .

Very nice and interesting observation. I too noted that the Mayan calendar has something to do with the "Sacred Tree." Mayan trees...maize...corn...It's the return of the Ent wives in 2012!

And letters 20 and 12 are 'T' and 'L.' Need I say more?

The T(z)olkien Code.

I don't know if there are any harmonic convergences with the Shire Reckoning or the King's Reckoning or the Quenya yén though.

See what you can come up with; I'm going to be productive and spend the rest of the day penning, "The World Won't End in 2012...Unless You're an Ent." It's a mixed bag of end time prophecy and relationship advice.

i don't give much heed to these apocalyptic writings from ancient times. every civilization went through times of upheaval and strife,we even had religious sects based on prophecies of a messiah coming to save us.no-one likes to think of themselves as being alone and insecure.human beings need to feel safe and comforted,and to know that there may be some-one else to blame for all their misfortune.nostrodamus was famously translated in the wrong.the experts should have translated his transcripts as mediaval french and not in the french language as it's known to-day.as romantic and mystical as it seems, no matter how much i want to believe, no-one can really fortell the future.

[Elu Ancalime]

From ap history thi year, the Mayans had there calendar on 50 or 51 year blacks or something like that. Maybe it was 61. Every 61 years or so the world would come very close to ending (signs were things like political strife, war, nature degradation, etc) and to appease the gods, they sacrificed, and bloodlet. Bloodletting is basically peircing your body, and it does not look like fun. It was done on the extrmities, and if you catch my drift, ANY extremity.
So it was interesting that the year Hernando Cortes and the Spanish conquistidors showed up was one of those years, and it was called the Year of the Reed. Cortes was white, and had a beard, and wore a feather in his helm. The Aztec/Mayan 'main' god was white skinned, wore a feathered headress, and was bearded. So naturally the locals thought the Spanshis were cool stuff. Of course, the conqured, and their king Mountcezuma was killed, and mnative society fell apart. Its a bit......"darkly ironic"...that the calendar, coped with modern atomic time, is only 42 days off.
There is one inconsistincy that many people overlook. Even though the Spanish motto was 'gold, glory. and god,' they werent there long enough (or let the natives stay alive long enough) to convert them to Catholicism. So there really is no relation to whatever Aztecs beleived and Chiristianity. (I cant speak for everybody, but that makes me safe)

So theres some history behind it
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[Estelyn Telcontar]

Please remember to keep your posts Tolkien-related, folks!

[Lalwendë]

Alright I was laughing then, but I'm not laughing quite as much now. I've found more references to 2012.

Crop circle fanatic Reg Presley (who famously invested his earnings from Love Is All Around in investigating the phenomena) mentioned 2012 as 'the year it all changes'. Then today I was innocently reading about psychonaut Terence McKenna's Novelty Theory which, to cut a long and complicated story short, predicts that the 'singularity of novelty', something he had not expected for thousands of years, will happen on 21st December 2012. The exact point at which the Mayan calendar says the world will end -etc, see above posts. There are some odd goings on involving the Sun shifting its magnetic poles and having huge sun spots and a weird, once-in-20,000-years eclipse that year too.

I'm now going to look in The Lost Road again to see what I can find!

[davem]

I expect 2012 to bring about the 57th anniversary edition of LotR, with 350+ corrections & amendments to the text in order to 'bring it into line with what Tolkien really wanted'. I shall make a start on it now, so we can have no more arguments....