Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[tar-ancalime]

I know that I'm not online at the same time as many of the rest of you, but I'm starting to feel a little ignored!

from Kath, regarding Farael:

Actually starts off the Day trying to make a case against Ang. Well there’s a thing! Was this ever brought up?

Yeah, actually, and I voted for him for this reason. I retained my suspicions of him yesterday as well, though I became more nervous about Eomer. I still don't trust either of them.

quoted by Glirdan, attributed to Thinlomien:

Or maybe it's simpler--I freely admit I haven't taken the time yet to look at spawn's posts yet. I will do it, and with the question in mind that I proposed yesterday for all wolf kills in this game: What did she get right?

That was me.

Kath again:

Someone said that the wolves knew who the Lover in their own ranks was. How would they know that unless the wolf Lover had told them, and where would be the point in that?

That was me too. I don't think the wolf Lover has told them anything; but I do think that it's harder to hide in a company of four than in a company of twenty, and with all the wolves' access to each other (public discussions, PMs day and night) it would be strange if at least one of them hadn't cottoned on to the Lover by now, after three Nights and almost three Days. If I'm wrong, well, hats off to the Lover wolf for being a better dissimulator than I give you credit for.

[tar-ancalime]

You know, I didn't have a problem with Kath at all until her recent post that includes her vote. But she's really grasping at straws to defend herself:

In her analysis of spawn she brings up spawn's comment that Ang didn't trust Eomer. I thought "Oh goody! Did she find something I missed on Eomer?" So I went back and looked at spawn's post, and there was nothing really there. Just the two references to Eomer that we talked about yesterday.

What bothered me most about Eomer was not Ang's two references to him, but the way he deliberately ignored the second and stronger one (in which he's linked to lmp) and deliberately called attention to the first and weaker one (in which he's linked with Kath), thus hoping to link himself to early, humorous accusations only. Granted, neither of Ang's comments on Eomer is particularly strong, but it bothered me then and it bothers me now that he ignores the second one in favor of the obviously humorous first.

Ang's comments are moot, as he is dead and not a Seer, but Eomer's reaction to them is not. Likewise, Kath's redrawing of attention to these two Eomer comments (knowing full well that they're far back in a long thread and those who haven't already started what may be an irrational suspicion of Eomer aren't likely to go back and check) looks a little squidgy to me, to say the least.

I still hold suspicion for Farael, the more so now that he has started to nurse what looks like a grudge against tgwbs. It can't look any other way--Farael largely ignores tgwbs in his pursuit of Kath, then when tgwbs starts to turn on Farael, well, the claws come out, so to speak.

But for today, anyway, my suspicions of Eomer and Farael are going to have to take a back seat to the main event:

To double lynch or not to double lynch?

Let's remember this: if we double lynch once, it doesn't mean we're going to have to continue to do it every day. tgwbs's plan would essentially have required that, as it would force us into a race with the wolves, and relenting on the double lynches of men would have erased our advantage. But double lynches in general don't have to play out this way.

Naysayers who bring up endgame statistics in reference to double lynches at this point in the game forget that it's not a tool we have to use every day.

For today, though, I think it makes sense. There are a lot of villagers whose names have hardly been mentioned. We need to clear the air, to get some fresh discussions going, and to do that we've got to rid ourselves of guaranteed lynch candidates.

With that in mind,

++Kath

to keep the possibility of a double lynch alive.

[Glirdan]

After going over the last few posts, I think I've finally come to a conclusion. After reading Kath's voting post and her reasoning behind her vote (for Lhuna), I'm now inclined to believe her guilty. She says, and I quote:

And as for Lhuna, I did not want to think her guilty, I still don’t. But looking at the evidence from the last two days and the sheer strength of the arguments against her, as well as support of those arguments from a Seer . . . well.

So, she doesn't want to think Lhuna is guilty, and still doesn't think Lhuna's guilty yet votes for her anyway. Add on top of that the fact that she's bee pretty quiet (read my post above for more info on that) and I think we've got a Wolf in our hands.

So, without further ado

++Kath

Good night everyone and may we finally catch a Wolf.

[Lhunardawen]

Ooh. So. This is how I'll die? With my fellow villagers planning my lynching while I am fast asleep - thanks to my darned timezones? How reminiscent is this of a certain village in Numenor... *coughcoughWerewolfXIVcoughcough*

This will be a long read, so it might take sometime for me to be back with something to defend myself with.

But seeing that you've already planned my death, is there even a point?

I hope you have fun washing off the blood of an innocent from your hands.

[Naria]

Well, that took way too long to read everything that has happened toDay. And I must confess that I am even more confused about what to do. I do agree that we should do a double lynch for toDay(taking note that this does not have to happen every Day). I don't agree with Shorty's 'Plan'! Killing off all of the male ww's would only ensure the females ww survival. And yes I do believe that there could very well be all female werewolves, so pegging off all of the males would definitely not be wise(so the females can hide?). It could also be the other way around and there could be all male ww's--at any rate the 'Plan' should not happen.

Now Shorty, I couldn't help noticing that you are not leaving ww signs anymore, why is that?

Farael is acting a bit weird I must say, but I really don't think him coming out with guns-a-blazin is out of the 'norm' for him--he has acted in much the same way in other such scenarios. He's making some sense and at the very least I am not confused by his posts too much.

I have to admit that Kath was not on my suspicous list until toDay. There have been some 'damning' posts made by some and I find myself agreeing with certain parts(the parts that don't confuse me). She also seems to be digging herself into a deeper hole everytime she posts, making weak attempts to defend herself. hmmm

About Lhuna, my suspicion of her started yesterday, not because of the tie vote thingy, but because she doesn't seem to be Lhuna. Her posts have not been all that insightful like they normally are and yes she does have timezone problems, as do I, but she hasn't managed to get on yet and post some kind of defence, something that I'd like to think that she would have definatley managed to do by now. Or maybe she has and saw how many votes she has and figured why bother. At any rate I have some time to spare before I vote toDay so I will wait and see if she comes on and what she has to say.

All in all, I have to truthfully say that I am torn between these two--I just don't know right now--I'll wait a bit and see if anything else happens.


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[tar-ancalime]

from lmp, regarding Day 1:

Lhuna did a throw-away vote of the innocent Eonwe, leaving a double lynch tie in place.

No, Lhuna voted for Lalaith, not Eonwe.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by tar-ancalime

No, Lhuna voted for Lalaith, not Eonwe.

Oops, I read my notes wrong. It was Spawn who voted for Eonwe, and Lhuna's throw-away vote was for Lalaith, as you say. Sorry.