Survivor: The Second Age

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Tar-Miriel

A civil war, nasty as it would have been, would seem
to have been as necessary as the American Civil War
was, and (arguably) the English Civil War. And who
knows, she might have at least escaped to Middle-earth
and been the founder of Gondor/Arnor and Company.
But she was obviously no Erendis, Galadriel,
Eowyn, etc.

[Diamond18]

+ + Celeborn

As previously stated, he always took a back seat to his wife, therefore if it's allowed to come down as a vote between Celeborn and Galadriel, no one in their right mind could possibly vote Galadriel off instead. So spare Celeborn the embarressment of losing a head-to-head with his wife and vote him off now, before we get to that sad, ugly point.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

As previously stated, he always took a back seat to his wife, therefore if it's allowed to come down as a vote between Celeborn and Galadriel, no one in their right mind could possibly vote Galadriel off instead.

Of course I could. And I refuse to admit that I'm not in my right mind. Umm. Right...

It comes down to the fact that Celeborn is nicer than Galadriel. Think about it. Who came to Middle-earth seeking subjects to rule? Galadriel. She's power hungry, and we all know that's not a good thing.

I further hypothesize that Celeborn realized Galadriel's tendencies and worked from behind the scenes to keep her dark side in check. All while cleverly not becoming prominent and power hungry himself. Why, Celeborn is a genius. Pure and simple. How could anyone not like him? Other than Sauce, who has already been proven insane by his constant opposition to the noble Lord of Lorien anyway.

[Diamond18]

Now, now, there's no shame in being an Insane Celeborn Fangirl/boy. I am sure you and Ang will defend him to the death. Your loyalty is admirable.

But the rest of us will outnumber you sooner or later.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Now, now, there's no shame in being an Insane Celeborn Fangirl/boy. I am sure you and Ang will defend him to the death. Your loyalty is admirable.

But the rest of us will outnumber you sooner or later.

Alas, I fear it will be sooner. Ang recently mentioned not being able to vote for a while. Thus, I'm afraid that I've been left to attempt to carry out our thankless mission alone.

Or nearly so. Thank you, Tuor, for joining the Tar-Miriel campaign.

Allies of the Galadhrim! Friends of Old! Will you let Celeborn fall alone and unaided? No, it would be a disgrace, a blot upon Arda such has not been seen for many a weary age of this world. Hear my plea! Come to the defense of the noblest Elf of them all, the great Lord Celeborn, and usher in a new era of wisdom and enlightment on Second Age Survivor!

[Gil-Galad]

++ tar-Miriel


she could have handled herself better as queen...

[the phantom]

+ + Tar Miriel

What did she do?

1) She married her cousin. At least Turin didn't know when he married a relative. Tar Miriel knew and still did it.

2) She allowed her husband to fall under Sauron's spell. She should've been putting her husband under her spell.

3) She obviously wasn't too cozy with "The Faithful", otherwise she would've escaped from the island with them. So, it seems she wasn't hanging with the right crowd.

Hmmm... I can't find anything that Tar Miriel did that is worthy of any Survivor recognition. Why is she still here?

[Lalaith]

Oh, this is too much to be borne. Is it not enough that the fairest lady of Numenor was wronged, terribly, once, that you must wrong her again, now, and slur her memory?

Phantom, I seem to remember Ar-Pharazon was one of your favourites, wasn't he? You remember, the bloke who married his cousin by force?
So it's ok to force someone into incest, but not ok to be forced?

I suppose it was her fault for wearing her skirt too short, was it

Like so many other heroes of Middle Earth, Tar-Miriel tried to fight against the forces of evil but failed, in particularly tragic circumstances. We can go some small way to recompense her here, on Survivor.
Celeborn...well...a decent enough chap but his little-Galadhrim tendencies, leading to the isolationist dwarf-hating policies of the Third Age, are already becoming apparent.
++CELEBORN