WWJ Attack of the Werecats:The ppuuuurrfect village

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

There are many people who haven't popped up by now. I know they still have plenty of time and they are in strange timezones , but nevertheless, it worries me.

When I read through the thread, two persons caught my attention. Alcarillo and Glirdan.

I am actually in agreement with you here. Glirdan doesn't concern me as much as Alcarillo and Eonwe. However, I don't buy Wilwa's defense and I will vote for her. Tomorrow I will look closer at them and others who haven't said much. I think your willingness to look at many sources speaks in your favor Thinlomien, to your innocence however I am not fully convinced but I am leaning that way now.

With that said I still am uncertain as to a lot of things but I feel fairly strongly that Wilwa's vote yesterday was simply an attempt to dupe the rest of us by showing that she voted for a wolf. But really it was more like her screaming that she thinks we should kill him when he's already on the chopping block and transformed so it really doesn't show anything of her supposed innocence. Then we get to her explination and everything she says seems very contrived (to borrow from Garin...I was looking for that word). She's too suspcious for me.

++Wilwarin of the numbers

[Roa_Aoife]

Following my analysis, it also occurs to me that your other main reason for suspecting Wilwa is her vote for Sleepy. Why then would you ask for the reason of analyzing Sleepy's voters?

Also, your first post today, drawing attention to your sleepy vote makes you very suspicious in my mind. It seems like your saying, "See? I voted for a cat! I must be innocent," which is exactly what I would expect a cat to say.

[Farael]

No, you all!! VOTE FOR EONWE!!! HE'S SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS!!!

Ok, back to my bacteria... erm I mean foolish behaviour

[Roa_Aoife]

You could do an analysis of Eonwe if it bothers you that much Farael.

[Roa_Aoife]

Wilwa
Day 1
1st post - Rushed, requests people to be logical in voting, wants to keep gifteds alive
2nd - has a weird feeling about Garin, uneasy about Farael, wants to reread everything, says she might vote for Sleepy, but wants to wait a bit, comments on Oddness in Glirdan’s post
3rd - requests time limit
4th - Gives reasoning for Sleepy vote, says he has the most reasons to be suspected, votes Sleepy.

Day 2
1st post - answers suspicions, says she was stressed because of the situation her lateness put her in, says she made the best decision she could, thinks it would have been better not to vote like Glirdan

[Roa_Aoife]

Anaylsis of Wilwa

I have found no contradiction in her posts. She hasn't jumped around, and she stays on one track. I doubt seriously that a cat would kill someone who was suspicious of them, so Nogrod's list is out in my mind. I also believe that the placement of her vote means nothing. She said that she would probably vote for Sleepy, but she wanted to review. She also mentioned that she would be only able to vote near the dealine. RL issues made her the last voter- that's hardly a reason to lynch her. In my experience, wolves/cats hide in the middle or the beginning of bandwagons for their teammates.

Her hedge statement is the only point of suspicion I can find, and that alone is not enough for me to lynch her.

[Roa_Aoife]

Added onto that- the main reason everyone is suspecting her is Nogrod's list. Valier already pointed out that there were no hints in the narrative. Saying that Nogrod caught Sleepy with that list is really an over statement. There were many other reasons people suspected Sleepy, Nogrod included. You place too much faith in a list that has been debunked.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be suspicious of Wilwa- we should suspect everyone- but the case against her is flimsy and insubstantial.

Edit: Cross posted with Kath

[Garin]

Roa: Also, your first post today, drawing attention to your sleepy vote makes you very suspicious in my mind. It seems like your saying, "See? I voted for a cat! I must be innocent," which is exactly what I would expect a cat to say.

I'm sorry I seem upset but there happens to be a matter of where the vote appears. Wilwarin's last minute vote and dialogue is suspicious and is completely different from my vote for Sleepy.

[Roa_Aoife]

Garin, you don't seem upset. And you haven't answered that suspicion. Pointing out your own vote like that was suspicious, and as far as you knew, it was the first post. (You marked that you had cross-posted with the first two posters.)

[Roa_Aoife]

No need to apologize, Kath, I didn't want to turn into Thin anyways. (No offense Thin.)

I'd like to take a moment to address a few things - first, I'm female. You can see my pic on the BD photopage to prove it. And don't worry, no offense taken. (I'm told I have very masculine behavior anyways....)

Second, I disagree that referencing past games is in poor taste. People who have played in certain past games can remember the behavior of the other villagers. Ie, "So-and-so acted like this when they were a gifted, but like this when they were a wolf." Also, references to past games can help devise strategies. True, every game is different, but certain trends appear time and time again. The last game I played in, my fellow seer mangaed to let an innocent know who she was by hinting at a past game with a similar situation. Experience counts for something here. Trying to take away the advantage of an experienced player isn't playing fairly.

The new players will catch on. And if they listen to those with more experience, they may catch the subtleties of the game a lot faster.

[Kath]

Lommy your suspicions of me are well-founded, but false. I know my reasoning was bad yesterDay but while I analyse and try to find reasons for those I suspect, sometimes you have to go with gut instinct. It is often the case that those you can't find proof of guilt for are the ones that are guilty, as they are trying harder to appear inconspicuous, to cover their tracks. But then you can get a 'feeling' that something is wrong, that they are too inconspicious and innocent-looking. Yeah that was a rubbish defence

To other people! Now, while I don't wish to bring up gripes about Nogrod's list again, I feel that Kitanna had a good point about looking at the way people reacted to it. Sleepy's reaction was indeed over the top, but that may have been more due to his noting that his own name was in the list rather than seeing those of his fellow wolves, though of course it is possible. So, due to the possible reasoning behind Sleepy's overreaction (I said possible morm, don't fire up) an eye should be kept on Telp, Lommy and wilwa.

Telp we haven't seen toDay and saw very little of yesterDay. There may be reasons for this and it could be timezones so I will leave her be for now, though I would like to hear more from her.

Lommy I think innocent. She's being a loudmouth and changing her opinion every few posts and so playing as normal

That brings me to wilwa. Many people have mentioned her last post yesterDay and I think with good reason. She was in no way sealing Sleepy's death as she was the last to vote and there was only one person left (I think). Her defence of herself toDay also left much to be desired. Her reasoning for her vote wasn't that she was simply voting for the one who she felt was most guilty out of the two, but the one that would put the least suspicion on her! Now while this is a valid concern the most pressing reason behind a vote whether it be Day 1 or Day 6 should be suspicion.

Oh and as for Nogrod's death, what if the Cats simply thought he was the Seeker? It would be a bold move indeed for the Seeker to expose themselves so early on, but it might have concerned the Cats that someone so quickly caught one of their number out and thought him to be this bold.

I will be around for a while yet this evening, up to quite close to the deadline so I won't vote yet. I know we have retractable votes, but it just makes things so confusing!