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[Lathriel]

Just one last note on the cloak issue, for some reason I remember from the book that talked specifically about the cloaks.
Here I got the qoute, in my copy it is on page 390. "And you will find them a great aid in keeping out of the sight of unfriendly eyes, whether you walk among the stones or the trees."

So there you go, PJ didn't screw up this time.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

I thought the cloak sequence was allright by PJ,
including the bad guys not seeing the hobbits when near them.
However, as to the Rohirrim not being enemies, in the
book, while not enemies, Eomer seems to say they are
not yet, at present, allies.

I serve only the Lord of the Mark, Theoden King son of Thengel. We do not serve the Power of the Black Land far away, but neither are we at open war with him; and if you are fleeing from him, then you had best leave this land.

I thought PJ's making the phyiscal interaction on deciding how to procede:

All of that math must have gone to Sam’s head too, as he gets a little too close to the edge and falls over. Nice, Sam, I guess that your plan was to run down the hill while a thousand or two bad guys are tramping around out front. Another instance of a character going out of character for a thrill.

was much poorer then the book discussion. He presumably did it to
get action and use of the cloaks but it is, as noted above,
rather illogical.

And one of the most incomprehensible decisions of the movie has its
seeds here, showing Pippin and Merry growing, and then later (especially
at the Grey Havens, showing them shrunk down again. If you go to the
effort and time of having them grow why then ignore this later. PJ could
even have had a better Gimli humor moment by using his book
comments and measuring of the hobbits at Isengard.

Again, here PJ and friends put on an aggravating combination of
occasional story faithfulness and great effort in scenery, etc. with
counterproductive "changes", some comprehensible and others not.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

And one of the most incomprehensible decisions of the movie has its seeds here, showing Pippin and Merry growing, and then later (especially at the Grey Havens, showing them shrunk down again. If you go to the effort and time of having them grow why then ignore this later. PJ could even have had a better Gimli humor moment by using his book comments and measuring of the hobbits at Isengard.

My take on the hobbits' growth via the Ent draught was to make these two heroes more than just 'two hobbits that accompanied the Ringbearer.' Merry and Pip see more fighting in the Third Age than the other two, and Tolkien may have created the Ent draught as a device to help readers believe that these hobbits might actually be useful in battle with orcs and larger foes. Sure, they're little, but after their visit with Treebeard, suddenly we have the Hercules and Theseus of the Hobbit world.

And during the Scouring of the Shire, it's these two that open the gate (can't remember which one) as now they are overly large for Little Folk. Sam gets a family, Frodo gets a cruise, Merry and Pippin get larger.

PJ just threw this in for a laugh; an illogical lark to have another character (small one at that) belch.

[Lathriel]

You must also remember that the ent draught scene was in the EE. It was never in the theatrical version. So if they had actually grown then it would have provided further complications.

[Elladan and Elrohir]

Maybe the air of Fangorn affected their brains and they actually hadn't grown at all...

Watch the Cameras in Middle-earth documentary on Disc Three. It actually shows the take where Frodo and Sam are just about to go forward to the Gate, and Andy Serkis pulls them back. Except in this take, when he pulls them back, he accidentally grabs Sean Astin by his wig and rips it off. Sean then storms off in disgust. He SAYS he wasn't mad, just having a bad day. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

As I guess you guys can see, I'm doing my best to post on the new discussions. I haven't had time to do more than lurk occasionally for a while, but these discussions are way too good and fun to let them die.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Elladan and Elrohir

Watch the Cameras in Middle-earth documentary on Disc Three. It actually shows the take where Frodo and Sam are just about to go forward to the Gate, and Andy Serkis pulls them back. Except in this take, when he pulls them back, he accidentally grabs Sean Astin by his wig and rips it off. Sean then storms off in disgust. He SAYS he wasn't mad, just having a bad day. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Having worked that closely together for that much time, you'd have to expect that at least once someone was going to lose his cool and react. But I think that the cast assembled by PJ was outstanding in that they, for the most part, worked with and supported each other through the hardships. Can't see any prima donnas having tantrums.

As I guess you guys can see, I'm doing my best to post on the new discussions. I haven't had time to do more than lurk occasionally for a while, but these discussions are way too good and fun to let them die.

Far be it from me to ask you not to post, but post well as well as often (and I'm not making reference to any of your posts, but just have to say that ). And the death of the SbS will be murder, not suicide, if that makes any sense. I'll always be here even if I'm posting for myself.