WWJ Attack of the Werecats:The ppuuuurrfect village

[Kath]

I can understand where Lommy is coming from with the lynching Telp idea. If she doesn't post at all toDay she will be killed, and if we have another candidate for lynching and they turn out to be innocent as well we'll have lost two innocents in one Day. Ok, we have an advantage at the moment, but mistakes are dear.

Even so, it is Telp and Lommy that we need rid of toDay, in order that we have full knowledge of all the people on Nogrod's list. Once we know who or what they are we will either have won as all the Cat's will be gone or we will be able to look past that list.

But Glirdan, just picking up on a point you made about Lommy. I too have to keep checking my posts as I write wolves rather than cats, I don't think that's something you can use to make someone look suspicious. And you pushing so hard for Lommy's death is quite odd in itself.

That's all I have for now. I'll be back later.

[Glirdan]

But Glirdan, just picking up on a point you made about Lommy. I too have to keep checking my posts as I write wolves rather than cats, I don't think that's something you can use to make someone look suspicious. And you pushing so hard for Lommy's death is quite odd in itself.(Kath)

I realise that point I made is rather irrelevant o you can completely disregard that. As for my pushing for Lommy's death, how can you not? The evidence is right in front of you. Look back at Nogrod's analysis of the death ryhme on Day 1. He got two of the three right!! Who's to say he didn't get the last one? The only way we can find out if this is true is to lynch Lommy and let the Moddess take care of Teleperca as she has not returned. That's why I'm pushing this. If we get it right toDay, we can end this insanity. Yes I realise that we are risking two innocent's, but that's what we call a sacrifice. However, I am not completely disregarding everything that's been said about others such as Eonwe and Diamond (and I must say morm, you bring up good points against Diamond).

I think we might actaully have a pretty hard time of this one. Look at all the people we have. Form, Acarillo, Morm, Kath, Roa, and Garin are heardly being talked about, as far as I can see, but there is nothing to prove their innocence. Just a thought...(Eonwe)

I agree that there are some in there who haven't even crossed my mind (Kath, Alcarillo and Roa), yet I'm sure there are some out there who haven't forgotten about them. Form's actually had some suspicion due to his wierd playing strategy. Garin's had some votes and morm...well you can't forget about one of the most vocal (in a good way however) villagers who's got good things to say.

If you would like my suspcions list, I'll give it to you:

Suspicious
Lommy
Teleperca
Form

Probably Innocent
Eonwe
Farael
morm
Glirdan

In Between
Form
Diamond

Not Sure
Kath
Roa
Alcarillo
Garin

For my "suspicions list", I've given reason to support my thoughts as well as the "innocents list". Those "in between", I find suspicious yet they are probably innocent. The four under the "not sure" list, I have nothing really against or for their innocence.

[mormegil]

Look at what Diamond did after 1 vote for her.

She changed her vote for to Telperaca, the most likely to die today. What does this accomplish. Most likely Telperaca is innocent but an easy kill so it doesn't really leave tracks because it's not seen as overly suspicious a vote. It also makes Telperaca the lead candidate and much more difficult for anybody to catch up to her, including herself. Diamond's voting record really is speaking against her.

[Thinlómien]

Glirdan, would you care to clarify what is the difference of "in between" and "not sure" lists?

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Another point against Thinlo. By attacking Kitanna last, night, she could be sure that no one could draw anything betweent them as Lommy didn't even mention Kitanna once except for the analysis bit which Garin said he'd do (he couldn't post his results). In short, their was not attachment between the two which made Kitanna the perfect attack for Thinlo.

Hmmm... And I don't care to count or find out, but there surely are lots of other people who had no connections to her either.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

True, but if you go back to that post, you said that it's like a random thing. Check if you don't believe me.

I checked. What I exactly said was this:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'd like to suspect Telperaca for a very vague vote which is actually quite random (or so I believe), but as she's a newcomer I will be gentle to her, unless she shows real suspiciousness.

Apparently I said so. I apologise. Anyway, I meant that her reasoning was so weird and she didn't post anything else. I prefer people saying/admitting that they've cast a random vote rather than giving a reason like "he wants to run away." I admit I was contradictory, but I really didn't think so much...

[Kath]

No, no, no! Stop voting for Telp! It doesn't look like she will turn up again toDay and why waste this chance to find out the identities of both her and Lommy.

Yes that sounds very Catlike and I'm sorry, but if just Telp is lynched then we will spend all Day tomorrow focusing on Lommy. We need to move beyond this and if neither are wolves we really need to.

Voting so far looks like:
Eonwe 1 (Farael)
Lommy 1 (Glirdan)
Telp 3 (Lommy, Diamond, Alcarillo)
Diamond 2 (morm, Garin)
Glirdan 1 (Eonwe)

Now look at how spread out that is. On Day 3! That's insane. Please, those who voted Telp would you look at the logic and change to Lommy. This is risky it's true but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) look at the maths. If wither Telp or Lommy is a Cat we win anyway. If Telp and Lommy are both innocent and they die toDay one other will die toNight bringing it to a total of 3 deaths. If we lynch one toDay and one tomorrow that gives 2 Night's for the Cat to kill innocents, adding up to 4. This is safer for us.

[Thinlómien]

Kath, I do get your point. I see you can't trust me and I accept it. I have nothing to prove my innocence. *a dramatic sigh*

[Thinlómien]

Oh, and I sent a PM to Valier asking whether Telperaca will be struck by modly fire or will there be an exception (don't ask why there'd be, but that's always possible).

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Kath

Now look at how spread out that is. On Day 3! That's insane. Please, those who voted Telp would you look at the logic and change to Lommy. This is risky it's true but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) look at the maths. If wither Telp or Lommy is a Cat we win anyway. If Telp and Lommy are both innocent and they die toDay one other will die toNight bringing it to a total of 3 deaths. If we lynch one toDay and one tomorrow that gives 2 Night's for the Cat to kill innocents, adding up to 4. This is safer for us.

Kath I could be wrong but aren't you always against double lycnhing...I know we don't have them but isn't this more or less the same? Also aren't you always against killing people to get information?

You've really made this situation an ultimatum. Why is it that if we don't kill Thinlo today we must kill her tomorrow? Your reasoning is based on that assumption and it's a fallicious assumption at that.

[Thinlómien]

My main suspects
Telperaca (appearance on Nogrod's list)
Glirdan (I still don't like his analyses. Besides he's over-eager to attack me and sometimes his points are ill-based.)

People I'm inclined to think innocent
Garin
Eonwe
Farael
(Roa and Kath may deserve a place on the list)

[Garin]

I have been busy in RL, sorry about my being so quiet. I am inclined to vote for Diamond to alleviate my lingering suspicions and tend to agree with Mormegil. This might be seen as a throwaway vote but I don't want to vote for someone I haven't viewed as feline.

++Diamond

[Formendacil]

Well, I'm not quite gone yet...

You know, it's quite interesting how an entirely different role makes you play this game differently. Going from Werewolf to Ordo seems to have messed with my brain a little.

To the point that I can look around this village... and be utterly clueless. As a Werewolf, you have the advantage of knowing most of the roles. As an Ordo, you don't, and I'm suffering from a lack-of-ability-to-analyze syndrome.

That said, I still think Thinlómien suspicious, I still probably look suspicious, and I still don't care.

[Thinlómien]

--Telperaca

++Diamond

I'm deeply sorry if you're innocent, but you must understand. I'm certain of my own innocence but don't know about you.

[Thinlómien]

Why are everybody away?!?

[mormegil]

++Glirdan

His vote for Wilwa came at the very end when it seemed she wouldn't die so what better time to cast your vote for a fellow wolf? Eonwe saved the day and killer her off unexpectedly. Then of course later he tried to play up his vote for Wilwa and hers for him. A very contrived defense. His lack of a vote the first day cast further suspcion on him.

[Eonwe]

++Glirdan

If we kill him, morm, and he's innocent, I'm coming after you next. But that is only becuase I'm being driven into paranoia by consecutive Werewolf games.

[mormegil]

Well I did a review, a hasty review, but a review of Kath and Glirdan and I'm unsure of what to make of Kath, she isn't sitting right but yet I have a lot of doubt about the conclusion that she is a werecat. However Glirdan looks a bit better, overall, and yet I feel a bit worse about him. Does that make sense?

Why is it so incredibly quiet?

[Kath]

Right, I have a suggestion but I'm not sure whether it would be better implemented toDay or tomorrow.

What if the Seer were to reveal themselves? They obviously do not know who the final Cat is or they would have done so already, but presumably they have a list of innocents. As of this moment we have 9 unknowns as we know Diamond is the Taker. If the Seer revealed themselves we'd have 8 unknowns and hopefully even fewer depending on how many innocents they have dreamt of. The Protector would of course protect the Seer giving them another dream and the Taker could be voted for during the Day so she could take down one of the remaining unknowns.

The flaw in this plan is that the Seer may not have a list of innocents, or at least not enough of a list to make this worthwhile, as those they dreamt of may have been killed already. If that is the case then this idea should be ignored entirely. But, the Seer has had 3 dreams correct? If all three have been of innocents and those innocents are still alive that would take the number of unknowns down to 5. If Diamond took down one and the Seer dreamt of another toNight the number would be down to 3 tomorrow, leaving a good innocent majority still. Now as far as I recall the Protector is able to protect one person two Nights running, which means the Seer could get two dreams in at best before being killed, providing the remaining Cat doesn't figure out who the Protector is, making it two unknowns.

Now, it may be that the next person the Seer dreams of is the wolf in which case most of this plan is null and void.

So, Seer, do you feel this is a good idea? And that depends on how many still alive innocents you've dreamt of as well as personal opinion. If you don't DO NOT reveal yourself. You need to be kept safe.

Thing is that this idea might be better implemented tomorrow when the Seer has had more time to dream. But if we wait the Seer might be killed toNight as the Protector won't know who to protect and indeed the Protector might be killed and the Seer would be in more danger if they revealed themselves. Also, if the Seer can provide a list of known innocents we won't be in danger of lynching one toDay.

What think you?

[Eonwe]

In the same vein, the Birthday Dreamer should not reveal his/her dream until the Seer does. If you come out and the Seer doesn't, there is nothing gained, as your slight advantage will quickly be killed off by the WereCat. So we need to maxamilze our dreams and known innocents by haveing everyone come out on the same que, namely when the Seer hopefully drops his/her load of innocents.

Not to mention, you might have the same dream as the Seer, and so put yourself in needless danger, whilst stealing a dream from teh Seer (cuz the Cat will kill you off and then the drempt of, hence stealing the dream from teh seer).

All for now...

[mormegil]

Kath,

I don't know what to make of your plan. On one side it makes some sense, but of course needs to be the final decision of the seeker. On the other side it might be a fairly wolfish attempt to flush out the seeker. Let me explain.

Apparantly the cat and the protector thought of the same person last night. Logic would dictate that they both thought the spotted the seeker. This may or may not be true as I haven't been able to identify him/her yet. However if this is the case the cat will want no doubt as to who the seeker is, and as you pointed out he/she obviously hasn't dreamt of the last cat or it would be over. You do understand how I can see this as an attempt to flush out the seeker.

Let's assume Kath=Cat last night she selected person X to kill, whom she believed the seeker, the protector also spotted person X and believes him/her to be the seeker. I reread the rules and it is true that the protector can protect the same person for two nights in a row. Now the seeker proclaims him/herself today adn the protector protects him/her tonight. However Kath would not go after the seeker tonight but rather she would try to find the protector. Next night the seeker would be dead.

Now I trust the seeker to do what is right and make the best decision based on the information he/she has available but if you do come forward I beg you to dream of Kath tonight as it will either confirm my suspicion or make her a known innocent. But, after a request like that I think she is either a cat or a villager with a good plan. I cannot be sure of either.