Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[JennyHallu]

We need at least two more, Zali, and it looks like probably three more, since Lhuna is gone next week.

[Farael]

Ah!! Now I know how Sauron felt... I turn my mind away from the WW game for a moment and I start loosing players!! No wonder the guy was a little crancky, imagine having to keep all those orcs in mind at all time....

Anyway, right now I'm 2 and a half hours away from when I have to leave for a final exam so I can't make any choices... I'll put it up to you.

We can start today (roles will be sent around 4 30 and the game will start around 5 ish), we can start tomorrow or we can wait until about Monday or Tuesday... it is up to you guys, I don't want to hold everything back THAT much... LMP must be getting impatient (even if he does not admit it )

[The Saucepan Man]

Given that recruitment for games now involves less of a flood of applications than it once did, I wonder whether the time has come to retire the WW Junior thread? It seems that the level of interest has now settled to a level where one game at a time may be sufficient. I realise, however, that this may frustrate (or rather delay) some modding expectations.

Thoughts?

[Diamond18]

Right now, SpM, there are three games in the junior queue.

Perhaps we ought to retire it after those games are finished?

[Mithalwen]

I think, with all the variations in the games that have been going on, there may be wariness to commit to games that may be very large and (therefore long) and complicated. One of the reasons I declined this game was that I got the impression that it was going to be too demanding for the amount of time I might be able to make available. I have lost track of exactly what is proposed. Even during Nilp's big game I still found a viable market for the original stripped down version of WW. It seems a bit mean to stop the shorter simpler games because huge games can't get filled.

I am never going to be able to commit to a game that might last 3 weeks because of the variable nature of my work and internet access whereas a WWJ game with a maximum of 15 players is possible. Stopping the small games would just stop me playing at all since I would not realistically be able to transfer to the longer senior games.

I don't think it is a simple lack of demand, more that many people want to know what they are letting themselves in for now that one game is seldom on the same format as the last. However the forthcoming Easter break and the imminent exam season may also be factors. I can think of several keen players who may force me to revert to teacher mode if I see them sign up

[Formendacil]

I'd love it if you waited a few days, Farael... then I could play!

Regarding the WWJ vs. WW issue...

I think that WWJ games should be played as needed. That is, when there is a surplus of players who can't get into a regular game. In other words, they should not being going on, one after another, as a matter of course, in the same way that the regular games follow each other.

Of course, this does mean a bit of uncertainty regarding the Moderators, who are standing in line, and have a bit of an idea as to when their turn will come, and who can plan accordingly. By making the timing of the WWJ games dependent on a surplus of players from the main games, it will mean that Moderators will be probably have to volunteer at that time- on short notice, that is to say.

That said, having WWJ games in that fashion could mean that it'll be easier for some people to moderate, as it will mean not having to put their names down months in advance.

[Glirdan]

Yes, I agree that the WW flood has quieted down, but that was not the sole purpose of the idea when it first came up. It was for those who felt intimidated by the more experienced players. It's also another way for those who didn't make a game and wanted to, to be in another one. I's a place where people can practice their writing before trying it out here. It's a place for new ideas to pop as well. In all honesty, the Junior games are rather convenient for us, even if the flood has slowed down. So my vote is to keep for the reasons I've stated earlier as well as the fact that I started it and I should get a say in it after having it going for so long.

[Diamond18]

This is kind of an important matter to me because of course I'm modding the next WWJ game and I should like to know where that stands when I do. To elaborate a little on what I posted before --

It does seem rather slow, currently, when a senior game is having trouble reaching 15 players. But, right now some of us (me, Nog/Thin, and Sam) all have definite plans percolating for games, and I don't really like the idea of just preemptively putting the kibosh on all three of our games. I suppose we could be translated to the Senior queue to wait after the three (I think?) games in planning here. However I think that should only be done if it proves impossible to get any players for our games while there are Senior games in the works. Because if some still like the idea of a Junior game, I think it can still be handled, albeit with a slower recuiting phase.

So, unless there is really strong objection I still plan on recruiting for my game after Valier's ends. I'd like to see what kind of response I get before I give up. It seemed to me that enough people signed up for Mith and Val's games within a decent time period, so perhaps this slowness for Farael's really is due to a temporary situation like finals, etc.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, as the cat is out of the bag, I might say a few things as well. It's been proved that 'newbie' players can be as talented and contribute as much as those with more games under their belt - and hey, it's one of the best ways to learn to be thrown in a group with more experienced people who can teach you. I think the atmosphere in the games has been rather welcoming, so at least there shouldn't be a reason why newcomers would have to be intimidated in 'adult' WWs.

Having two games going on simultaneously has led to a situation where a player, after his or her death in one game, joins another while the first one is still unfinished. I think there was a rule that a player can't be in two games at the same time, and this said situation seems like stretching the rule. Not that it would be a horrible thing to break a rule, per se, but one of the consequences of it is that if everyone who has died in a WW game go and join a WWJ while the first game is still going on, there won't be enough people willing to play when the recruiting for a new WW game starts.

I agree with Mithalwen that smaller games are welcome, but I can't see why there couldn't be a 'normal' WW game of approx. 13-15 players.

However, when summer comes, people will probably have more time to play, and there might be enough people for two simultaneous games...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

I'd love it if you waited a few days, Farael... then I could play!

Regarding the WWJ vs. WW issue...

I think that WWJ games should be played as needed. That is, when there is a surplus of players who can't get into a regular game. In other words, they should not being going on, one after another, as a matter of course, in the same way that the regular games follow each other.

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I disagree -WWJ is not simply WW overspill it is a alternative - for some of use the only possibility given the way the senior games have gone lately.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

This might not please some who don't like the idea of playing in a game right on the heels of another game, but I think that should be a personal desicion made on their parts rather than something forced on everyone. I don't really see how signing up for a game right after you've been killed bends the rule of not playing in more than one at a time. When you're dead you can't post, you can't PM, you can't play. You're decidedly not in the game.

The point, I think, is not if someone has broken a rule or not, but rather what are the consequences of signing up for a parallel game while the original one is still going on.

It's true that when you die in a game, you can't participate in the villagers' discussions anymore, but you can still enjoy the game by reading it. When there was just one game going on at a time, if you got a spot in it, it was great and you did your best to stay alive and commit to playing. Now that there are two simultaneous games, it's not a big deal if you die. On the contrary, if you manage to get yourself killed early, you get to play in two games. All this planning "if I'm dead by then" etc. just seems a bit inconsiderate towards the mod of the game that the player originally joined.