Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

This might not please some who don't like the idea of playing in a game right on the heels of another game, but I think that should be a personal desicion made on their parts rather than something forced on everyone. I don't really see how signing up for a game right after you've been killed bends the rule of not playing in more than one at a time. When you're dead you can't post, you can't PM, you can't play. You're decidedly not in the game.

The point, I think, is not if someone has broken a rule or not, but rather what are the consequences of signing up for a parallel game while the original one is still going on.

It's true that when you die in a game, you can't participate in the villagers' discussions anymore, but you can still enjoy the game by reading it. When there was just one game going on at a time, if you got a spot in it, it was great and you did your best to stay alive and commit to playing. Now that there are two simultaneous games, it's not a big deal if you die. On the contrary, if you manage to get yourself killed early, you get to play in two games. All this planning "if I'm dead by then" etc. just seems a bit inconsiderate towards the mod of the game that the player originally joined.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by dancinf spawn of ungoliant

All this planning "if I'm dead by then" etc. just seems a bit inconsiderate towards the mod of the game that the player originally joined.

I quite agree with that point spawn, and it is one of the reasons that prompted my inittial thought.

But thank you to everyone for your responses. They are just what I was hoping for, as I am certainly not suggesting simply shutting down the WWJ thread without consideration of the matter. Indeed, I am not really suggesting shutting down the WWJ thread at all. My main concern was whether there was enough interest to justify two games at the same time. I rather like the idea of maintaing the WWJ thread as an "overspill".

While I agree that one of the initial purposes of the WWJ thread was for "newbies" to "cut their teeth", that has become less of a factor. Many experienced players now play in the WWJ games, while "newbies" have started out in the "senior" games, generally without too much difficulty.

I also see no reason why the "senior" games should be more complex and the WWJ games less so. I am not sure that this has been the trend. It has really just been up to whoever was modded particular games and their preferences. That said, if games are smaller (in village) size, there probably is good reason to retain scope for two games to run at a time. My personal preference is for smaller less complex games anyway so I would rather see more of both types in both threads.

With regard to modding, I did propose a while back doing away with the modding lists. I think it much better that whoever is around when a game finishes and wants to mod should be able to do so, taking into account those who have expressed a wish to mod previously.

In any event, I have no objection to both threads continuing. Perhaps it is just the unseemly rushes from one game to another that prompted my concerns after all. I do think that a committment to a game should be whole-hearted and for the entirety of that game, as it does seem rather hard on a mod to be talking about the possibility of dying in his or her game in order to be able to play in the next. I don't see the WW craze dying out completely any time soon, so there will always be another game if you miss recruitment for one. That's happened to me a number of times, but I have always managed to tag onto another game without having to wait too long.

Perhaps it's because I have been playing in WW since it started here, but I do think that a little "calmness" and some restraint from wanting to be in every game going may be in order ...

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I agree with pretty much everything that has been said already. I feel like a lot of us are in difficult schedule positions, but that the enthusiasm is still there.

Perhaps in the future, we could let WWJ peter out in the springtime, but then start it up again in the summer when everyone has enough time on their hands.

This is just a particularly tough time of the year--finals, etc. Actually, for me, this time isn't too bad--my stress level is way down because I have gotten into college, which is a huge thing that I now don't have to worry about.

I just hope we get enough players soon, I've been really excited about this game!

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Spawn

It's true that when you die in a game, you can't participate in the villagers' discussions anymore, but you can still enjoy the game by reading it. When there was just one game going on at a time, if you got a spot in it, it was great and you did your best to stay alive and commit to playing. Now that there are two simultaneous games, it's not a big deal if you die. On the contrary, if you manage to get yourself killed early, you get to play in two games. All this planning "if I'm dead by then" etc. just seems a bit inconsiderate towards the mod of the game that the player originally joined.

I guess I don't really see it that way. And if the mod takes it that way, well, you can't control how other people view things. Personally, I like winning, and the longer I can survive in a game, the more it feels like winning. Of course, in Val's game I was the Hunter so in order to perform my role I needed to die. Ergo, I had plans for dying. Though, it still drives me crazy to not be able to post anymore. But anyway, I think anyone who truly enjoys werewolfing likes to stay alive in a game (though reading your own death scene is fun!) So I can't really agree that this worry about players not caring about the game enough because they know they can join another one, is that big of a deal. Those kind of players aren't really going to be as into werewolf as others are, no matter what. I think it's a fair assessment to say that players such as Nogrod and I signed up for this game as soon as we were dead in our last, because we think werewolf is really fun. Nothing so inconsiderate about that.

When I told Farael I might play, depending on how Valier's game went, I was just letting him know that I had interest in his game. If there was a conflict between the two games, though, Val's game would without a doubt be my first priority. I think that was clear.

Everyone has a different way of approaching the games, and some of us have more time on our hands to devote to them. I can play in one game, express my interest in another, and plan my own at the same time, without feeling overwhelmed. Those who can't balance all those things, shouldn't. But again, it's a personal desicion.

Originally Posted by SpM

Perhaps it is just the unseemly rushes from one game to another that prompted my concerns after all. I do think that a committment to a game should be whole-hearted and for the entirety of that game, as it does seem rather hard on a mod to be talking about the possibility of dying in his or her game in order to be able to play in the next.

Again, I don't see it as unseemly. One can be committed to playing a game and still acknowledge the fact that, because of how the game works, they might be out of the game before it comes to its conclusion. If you don't enjoy the game enough to do your best, you shouldn't really be playing in any game -- Senior, Junior, one after another, or few and far between. But that's an unrelated matter.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

In any event, I have no objection to both threads continuing. Perhaps it is just the unseemly rushes from one game to another that prompted my concerns after all. I do think that a committment to a game should be whole-hearted and for the entirety of that game, as it does seem rather hard on a mod to be talking about the possibility of dying in his or her game in order to be able to play in the next.

I think there is a reason for a kind of "double standards" here. I do agree with Sauce and others in thinking, that people should not rush from one game to another.

But then again, there's a kind of difference between people playing: when f.ex. Roa or myself (or Lommy) says, one can't be in wholeheartedly, it means they only post 5-10 posts / day - and having Gil-Galad post more than once / day, would be a miracle. It's not so easy, as quantity making for quality... but most of the time, people posting more are posting substantially, whereas people posting once aDay seem to be those just hanging on.

So, we have different timetables, we have different time-zones, but we also have different dedication to playing the game. So it isn't right to judge people by their willingness to participate on another game as such.

I myself admit having written a very bad post concerninig Valier's game (thinking I would be killed very soon with my tactics of playing, and thence being able to join Farael's game), but that's something is luckily behind now, as the "cats" thought of killing me the first night. I hope, I have learned from this.

I hope also, we all should see the point here: let the people playing wholeheartedly play the game/s (in TiG or TiGJ, one or two games at the time)? If there is clearly a lack of commitment, let us then be critical, and the person her/himself should learn from it.

Everyone should be wise enough to see her / his own limits: not assigning to more games (any games in BD or otherwise) that s/he can manage, but also taking advantage of several games, if there are resources for really playing them... I wouldn't even think of beginning two games simyltaneously, but might consider joining one when another is ending.

Just tact, or good judgement required...

EDIT: X-posted with Diamond: just applauding her post! She's got reason.

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=The Saucepan Man]

I also see no reason why the "senior" games should be more complex and the WWJ games less so. I am not sure that this has been the trend. It has really just been up to whoever was modded particular games and their preferences. That said, if games are smaller (in village) size, there probably is good reason to retain scope for two games to run at a time. My personal preference is for smaller less complex games anyway so I would rather see more of both types in both threads.

QUOTE]

WWJ was set up to have games with a maximum of 15 players. This rather lends itself to simpler forms of the game.

[Nogrod]

Btw. Farael!
What's the situation with your game?

I've been too long without one...

[JennyHallu]

Yeah!! All this talk of less games is depressing...I haven't played in far too long. I'm having withdrawal symptoms.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Btw. Farael!
What's the situation with your game?

I've been too long without one...

Well, I did not want to interrupt the other talk... and also, we still have only 13 players. If you guys want to start now, let me know so (I'll send the roles tomorrow and start on Tuesday afternoon).

[Diamond18]

13 is enough, let's play! *hops up and down*

[Naria]

Wow! I don't think I've ever seen a 'senior' game have so much trouble with getting people to play.

Looks like Valier's game is ending toDay, so I will be able to join in for this one.

What kind of village is this again? I need to know so I can have an appropriate occupation.

[JennyHallu]

YAY! 14!

It's an elvish village, Naria!

Roles! We want roles!