Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Kitanna]

Day ends in a couple of hours, does it not? Or am I just really messed up timewise?
Well in any case I don't have a whole lot to add. Since my first post I see little that would lead me to be overly suspicious of anyone.

A lot was said on the dreams and it appears everyone has reached a consensus about not revealing the dreams as they come.
Plenty of in character comments, but that's not much to go on.
Nogrod continues to push for the revealing of dreams in post 28.
Sleepy has openly proclaimed a random vote. Not that random voting is bad, but I just wish he'd wait before making such a declaration. A lot can happen from the beginning and end of the day. I suppose it just irks me when a declaration like that is made without the actual vote being in the same post. Meh, but that's just me.
Norgrod continues to his defense of the shaman dreams in post 34. You seem to stand alone on this Nogrod. In a regular seer situation you'd never tell the seer to come forward like you would with the shaman dreams. I say treat each dreamer like a seer and let them come forward from their own judgement. And with that I hope this will be the last time I give my opinion on the subject today.
Spawn has given her thoughts on various villagers and what she has said made sense to me, though I'm not so sure I agree with it all. But those she mentioned (Roa and Diamond mostly) deserve some looking at.

EDIT: So that's most of the major points since I last came on. It is not really much to go on. Most posts have revealed little and been quite unhelpful.

[Nogrod]

Ok. I'll get to it too. I have read the whole discussion again and have some remarks.

First of all, I totally agree with Jenny, that the kind of “I agree”-stuff, with no reasoning, or points to clarify their agreement, are suspicious. I would also add, that clearly flawed reasoning is suspicious too. I believe, as Jenny does, that we are all intelligent people, and then flawed reasoning would just point to a deliberate “turning away the discussion” from the real danger for the orcs.

Secondly, I find all who say, that the one can’t do anything on the first day, suspicious (if my memory serves me right, out of the 4 games I have played, we have caught a WW three times on the first day! – for different reasons, to be sure, but nevertheless) – at least, if they use it as a scapegoat to avoid good discussion.

Thirdly: anyone fighting against a good idea is an orc!

The third one put aside, here is, what I can say up to now (the "agree"-issue being the shaman-vote):

Celuien plays very-very carefully, but thoughtfully (those random-accusations put aside).

Roa seems to be her reflective self, making good points. Though I can’t understand, how she could have meddled my line to be one of Naria’s, and then asking for explanations from Naria.

Jenny first goes with the current (“I agree” with some bad reasoning), but then goes on to point some grounded reasons for nervousness. Criticises my idea with a good point. Asks for better focus.

Spawn agrees, but demands reasoned cases. Makes somewhat an analysis on other players (or some of them: notes Diamond speaking nonsense, quite fast on suspecting Roa, gives a kind of benefit of doubt to Findëasëa, wonders Sleepy)

Caranlodien agrees with the concensus – also notes that there is one. But clearly gives a point, why it should be accepted (not revealing the “strategy” to the orcs). Is considerate in her last post.



Grendelien makes the "I agree" move with some points, but also bad reasoning.

Glirdan goes too to the “I agree”, but with very bad reasoning (check #9) – and misreads grossly Roa’s ideas on #5.

Kitanna makes the “I agree”, confessing to go by gut feeling – and then giving very bad reasoning indeed. Continuing, in her last post to grossly misunderstand me again (I'm not pushing it forwards any more: I stated, that I found a flaw on it!)...

Findëasëa makes the "I agree" move with no grounds at all.

Naria makes the "I agree" move with some bad reasoning.


NB. Bad reasoning can here be interpreted in various ways. If I would have analyzed myself, I would have used the same characterisation of my first post at least... It's anything from really flawed reasons to thoughtlessness etc.



Diamond acts suspiciously. Mostly chit-chat (in role, I admit), but otherwise just “I agree” with no reasoning + stating, that there is nothing really to do.

Sleepy announces to be voting in random, or safe today, and then pleads everyone not to kill him...

[Caranlondien]

Nogrod, thanks for the synopsis/analysis. I must add that, as a recent newbie myself, I sympathize with Findëasëa and Grendelien. I don't think I'll vote for either of them today, since, whatever other factors are at work in their posts, there's a "newness factor" at work too. The potential confusion caused by newness should wear off in a bit, and until then, I'll be content to keep an eye on them.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Secondly, I find all who say, that the one can’t do anything on the first day, suspicious (if my memory serves me right, out of the 4 games I have played, we have caught a WW three times on the first day! – for different reasons, to be sure, but nevertheless) – at least, if they use it as a scapegoat to avoid good discussion.

I agree - perhaps the only reason things often don't get done on Day 1 is that people just sit around saying how nothing can be done!

From both Nogrod's and Dancing Spawn's lists, I find Diamond18 most suspicious. I tend to view lots of posts that say little of substance as a cover for guilt. Of course, my ancestors have been known to be wrong on that count...

Sleepy seems suspicious too, but I think he's posted too little to really judge. Please do speak up, my dear barrel of apples! (Mmm, apples sound good...)

[Nogrod]

I know, its a bit early for this kind of considerations, but as I don’t know, when people will have to vote, and when the sleep catches me, I’ll give you my thoughts at the moment (they will probably change, as people post more within last hours). I'll stay myself awake for awhile still, but probably can't be around at the closing-time anyway.

Celuien, Roa, Spawn, Jenny & Caranlodien I would not vote today. They are too good assets / reasonable players for us to lose – even though we can be sure, there is at least one wolf among them (that’s just numbers working in here). If some believable causes for suspicion arise, then I could reconsider.

Then we have this “I agree”-movement with either no reasons to back it or some clumsy or halfhearted backings (“as others have pointed out” etc.), consisting of Glirdan & Kitanna + and the “bandwagon” of Findëasëa Grendelien and Naria. This, I think, is no j’accuse –list, but something I will follow, if I live. Just looking at the “numerology” here too: at least one wolf here also...

Diamond has gone on her own today. Quite recklessly. Somewhat suspicious, to say the least.

Sleepy is again turning on that tune. I don’t like it, but can’t quite vote for him with this information, yet (means, could vote, if there is nothing better to go for).

Azaelia and Legolas iS we haven’t yet seen around...

I agree with Caranlodien, concerning the benefit of doubt to Grendelien and Findëasëa. To begin with.

Anyhow. I also agree with those, that demand at least a fragmentary theory or somehow based suspicion to vote.

I hope, we can come up with one before the day closes...

[Roa_Aoife]

Naria I am terribly sorry. For some reason I read your post and Nogrod's post as one. That's what I get for rushing in before class....

Spawn, my response to Jenny was as much nonsense as the accusation. As for my ideas on random voting- if at the end of the day we have no suspicion to go on, a moderate spread of random votes increases our chances of catching a wolf. I hope to have something to go on, but if others don't, then so be it. Like I said before, a random vote is better than no vote.

EDIT: Cross posted with Caran

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[Sleepy Ranger]

Ahem, since people want me active, active I shall be. Its Day 1, folks, I don't like Day 1. Recent games I've been facing death on Day 1/Night 1 too often. And yes Spawn serious business, you do realize I could've been busy, right? Had a couple of friends over so I was sorta tied up the entire day but now I'm all yours. And its the norm for all my games, I always state that I shall make a random/safe vote, its been my first post in all games for a while.

Now then, I promise that I shall be a good and productive apple barrel that will aid in capturing those nasty orcses if I'm allowed to survive the Day/Night. I promise!

Now then, remember time differences, its late here but I'll stay up for a while longer and vote before I leave. I'm kinda beat and have some work to see to so I won't be able to do all I want to with the game but I promise to be more active tommorrow.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I need to vote now, so without further analysis, I cast my vote for

++ROA_AOIFE

Best of luck to the rest of you.

[Celuien]

++DIAMOND18

She's seemed too ready to be agreeable at the beginning of the day and showed a little too much chit-chat. Others have pointed out the other things that disturbed me about her.

I have to hurry, so no time to further analyse. I'll just say that Nogrod, Caran, Spawn, Kitanna, and Caran seem particularly unsuspicious to me at this time. Reasons given later, if I make it back in time, or toMORROW.

I want to give Grendelien, Findëasëa and Legolas (where is she?? ) a chance to let any newness wear off before I seriously suspect them.

Glirdan may bear watching.

I'll have to come back to think about Roa, Sleepy and Naria.

I'd like to hear from Zali soon.

[Roa_Aoife]

I don't know how much longer I can be around, so I'm going to vote now.

Diamond and Glirdan have my attention right now. Diamond's lack of content in her many posts looks particulary suspicious; however, I don't think an orc would be so reckless right off the bat. Glirdan on the other hadn't seems overly cautious. All he has really managed to do is restate everyone else's opinion, and I know he is capable of better thought than that. With only a few hours left before close, (I'm not sure how many- the timezones posted have me very confused) I doubt that something more suspicious will come along.

++Glirdan

[JennyHallu]

I'm here, but I'm not going to vote for a while.

Looking most suspicious to me are:

Nogrod for his own reasoning:

Anyone fighting against a good idea is an orc!

Diamond for general hyperness.

Sleepy. I don't like random votes at all, and don't think there's any place for them. Even on a first day, someone is going to stand out, at least a little.

[Farael]

The scrolls go on to tell us how the villagers argued their way into a lynching on the first day. It was not an easy process but after many thought and deliberation (and some random votes) it was decided that Glirdan was to be given the noose.

It was a figurative noose, as instead they decided to strap the werewolf hunter onto one of Diamond’s light-absorbing Silmarils and turn it on. Yet as soon as they had him tied up and secured, a terrible transformation occurred. He sprouted lots of hair and big fangs, his voice turned gruff and his gaze deadly. Glirdan was a werewolf!!!

Glirdan: “You fools, I am not a wereorc”

Nogrod: “Well, I see, but you are still a werewolf! Consequently, my theory says that we should kill you all the same”

Glirdan: “But didn’t you read what Farael wrote? He was attacked by wereORCS not wereWOLF.”

JennyHallu: “Who cares? The world is going to end, kill him anyway!!!! He’ll just be the first of many”

SleepyRanger: “No, I say you kill me!!”

Celuien : “Oh, shut up, you are just an apple barrel, you are not even supposed to be talking!!!”

Glirdan: “So, will you please let me go now?”

Roa_Aoife: “Well, I guess so… but only if’

Thud

Naria: “What was that?”

Thud
Thud
Thud

Findëasëa: “Is it… no, it can’t be… but it is!!”

Diamond: “Sleepy!! Stop throwing apples at him!!”

SleepyRanger: “But he stole my thunder!! I wanted to set a new record of lynchments”

Nogrod: “Lynchations you mean”

SleepyRanger: “What ever…”

Glirdan: “ughhugmp umph umphhhhhhhh sssss”

Azaelia: “What? Speak up man! Or elf… or werewolf, what ever you are”

Glirdan: “ughhugmp umph umphhhhhhhh sssss”

Azaelia: “Stop playing games and get that apple off your mouth.. what are you trying to tell us?”

But it was too late. Glirdan was actually begging them to take the apple of his mouth, as he was choking on it and his hands were tied. As a show of respect, the villagers decided to bury him and to put a light-absorbing Silmaril as a headstone, under the agreement that no-one would turn it on and blow the grave up.

An innocent villager…. Or sort of… has died. Here’s the list of the still living.

Caranlondien: aspiring harpist
JennyHallu: Doomsday prophet
Nogrod: unemployed barber.
Grendelien: village whittler
Findëasëa: paleoelfropologist
Celuien:lampwright
Zali: stringer-of-bows
Diamond: Inept Jewel Smith
Dancing Spawn...: a merchant
Kitanna:(still playing? If so thou shall be...) The town's gate-keeper
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers
Sleepy A barrel of apples*
Legolas in spandex:For now he shall be Legolass (A movie-Legolas impersonator) unless he gives me another role
Roa_Aoife aspiring ballad writer

3 Wereorcs, 1 Ranger and 1 Shaman are still alive..

Now dead:
FaraelMod: He dyed… erm I mean died.
GlirdanRepentant werewolf : Choked on an apple. No wonder why werewolves are carnivores.

Edit: Wereorcs, you can PM each other and send me your night's kill BEFORE 6PM CT, 11 PM GMT

Shaman, your dream must be in before the same deadline

Ranger, I need your pick.

No one but the Wereorcs may PM with regards to this game.

[Legolas in spandex]

Sorry i missed day 1. I have been wandering about with a dumb expression on my face trying to figure out what to do. I see I post here. I'll try to remember that.See you day#2 or later, whatever day it is. (feels stupid & confused)

[Farael]

Legolas PLEASE, remove your post in here, it belongs in the TiG thread

[Farael]

A new day arises

The villagers gathered on the town square and quickly counted how many people there were present. Everyone seemed to have survived the night.

Grendelien : “Hurray!! The wereorcs have fled, my friends, we have scared them away!!”

Celuien: “But then we should be three people short, whoever the wereorcs are they have not left the town”

SleepyRanger: “I am one of them! Lynch me today, it’s not too late for me to keep my record going!”

Legolas in Spandex: “Oh, shut up… you are not a wereorc. Or maybe you are, but in either case I will not lynch you solely because you want us to”

JennyHallu: “But then what should we do next?”

Nogrod: “According to my theory, we need to lynch three wereorcs”

Naria: “Way to go, Captain Obvious… we knew that already”

Nogrod: “You knew it? Perhaps you know too much, are you a wereorc Ms. Naria?”

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant: “Please, now, let’s not argue… we can use logic to find the wereorcs, if we all think with our brains rather than our fists”

Diamond18: “Who crowned you Queen of this town? You have no right to boss us around!”

Spawn: “That’s it I’m beating the stuffing out of you!!”

Roa_Aoife: “Here, here now… let’s save all that anger for our wereorc hunt, ok?”

And right there and then, someone threw a talking apple barrel to someone else, who responded by tossing them a chair and a big fight ensued. Sadly, the records say that it was a cartoon fight, which means that a big cloud of smoke arose and nothing could be seen other than random limbs and blunt objects moving around. One villager stood aside, though, far too tired after a successful night of protecting one of the villagers.

Two hours later, the villagers had spent their anger on each other and were ready to start looking for those wereorcs. The Ranger has protected the wereorc’s target for yesterNight. Still living,

Caranlondien: aspiring harpist
JennyHallu: Doomsday prophet
Nogrod: unemployed barber.
Grendelien: village whittler
Findëasëa: paleoelfropologist
Celuien:lampwright
Zali: stringer-of-bows
Diamond: Inept Jewel Smith
Dancing Spawn...: a merchant
Kitanna:(still playing? If so thou shall be...) The town's gate-keeper
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers
Sleepy A barrel of apples*
Legolas in spandex:For now he shall be Legolass (A movie-Legolas impersonator) unless he gives me another role
Roa_Aoife aspiring ballad writer

3 Wereorcs, 1 Ranger and 1 Shaman are still alive..

Now dead:
FaraelMod: He dyed… erm I mean died.
GlirdanRepentant werewolf : Choked on an apple. No wonder why werewolves are carnivores.

Wereorcs, STOP PM'ing.... villagers, you may post now. You have until 6 PM CT or 11 PM GMT (which is the same) to have your votes in. Legolas, if you don't post or vote today I shall remove you from the game.

[Celuien]

Everyone still alive. Now that's some good news to start the day. Thanks to our Ranger for a job well done!

I'll be reviewing and analysing for awhile. Expect a post in a little bit.