Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Nogrod]

Ok. I'll get to it too. I have read the whole discussion again and have some remarks.

First of all, I totally agree with Jenny, that the kind of “I agree”-stuff, with no reasoning, or points to clarify their agreement, are suspicious. I would also add, that clearly flawed reasoning is suspicious too. I believe, as Jenny does, that we are all intelligent people, and then flawed reasoning would just point to a deliberate “turning away the discussion” from the real danger for the orcs.

Secondly, I find all who say, that the one can’t do anything on the first day, suspicious (if my memory serves me right, out of the 4 games I have played, we have caught a WW three times on the first day! – for different reasons, to be sure, but nevertheless) – at least, if they use it as a scapegoat to avoid good discussion.

Thirdly: anyone fighting against a good idea is an orc!

The third one put aside, here is, what I can say up to now (the "agree"-issue being the shaman-vote):

Celuien plays very-very carefully, but thoughtfully (those random-accusations put aside).

Roa seems to be her reflective self, making good points. Though I can’t understand, how she could have meddled my line to be one of Naria’s, and then asking for explanations from Naria.

Jenny first goes with the current (“I agree” with some bad reasoning), but then goes on to point some grounded reasons for nervousness. Criticises my idea with a good point. Asks for better focus.

Spawn agrees, but demands reasoned cases. Makes somewhat an analysis on other players (or some of them: notes Diamond speaking nonsense, quite fast on suspecting Roa, gives a kind of benefit of doubt to Findëasëa, wonders Sleepy)

Caranlodien agrees with the concensus – also notes that there is one. But clearly gives a point, why it should be accepted (not revealing the “strategy” to the orcs). Is considerate in her last post.



Grendelien makes the "I agree" move with some points, but also bad reasoning.

Glirdan goes too to the “I agree”, but with very bad reasoning (check #9) – and misreads grossly Roa’s ideas on #5.

Kitanna makes the “I agree”, confessing to go by gut feeling – and then giving very bad reasoning indeed. Continuing, in her last post to grossly misunderstand me again (I'm not pushing it forwards any more: I stated, that I found a flaw on it!)...

Findëasëa makes the "I agree" move with no grounds at all.

Naria makes the "I agree" move with some bad reasoning.


NB. Bad reasoning can here be interpreted in various ways. If I would have analyzed myself, I would have used the same characterisation of my first post at least... It's anything from really flawed reasons to thoughtlessness etc.



Diamond acts suspiciously. Mostly chit-chat (in role, I admit), but otherwise just “I agree” with no reasoning + stating, that there is nothing really to do.

Sleepy announces to be voting in random, or safe today, and then pleads everyone not to kill him...