Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Roa_Aoife]

I have to go soon, so I'm going to get my vote in now, just in case.

I don't know really what to make of this village. Everyone is acting at the same level of suspiciousness to me, and I can't really decide who deserves a vote. I don't really want to get rid of the people who are contributing to the discussion since they're keeping things going. Of the quiet ones, I think Kitanna is looking the worst right now. So

++Kitanna

Edit: Cross posted with Zali and Diamond.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Roa

I don't know really what to make of this village.

Tell me about it.

Three and a half hours left, and no major suspects... As promised, I'll do an analysis of Roa.

I just can't decide whether Nogrod's new plan of lynching the quiet ones is something the orcs would or wouldn't want. I originally thought as Celuien does, that orcs could kill the loud ones at night and lynch the quiet during the day, but Nogrod did make some good points in his favor. I think if I have time, I'll analyze Celuien, too, as she and Nogrod are a bit at odds over this plan. Plus she's another one I naturally want to trust, and I wouldn't want to let an orc slip by me so easily! Sorry, I know other people have done analyses, but it's just about the only way I can work out whom to vote for... Plus, we do benefit from cross-checking.

[Naria]

I am out of time! The most suspicous for me toDay would have to be Sleepy. He said that he was going to be more "normal" and help the village more toDay, but if I am correct he has only done the one post toDay and not much in it. I am not discounting the other two that I have on my list; I just think he is the most suspicous for toDay.

++Sleepy Ranger

[Findëasëa]

Good morning…er afternoon everyone,
First I would like to explain my choice for voting for Glirdan. I apologize for the lack of detail or substance in the explanation in my choice, I was under the impression that the voting ended one minute after I made my post, not two hours after. In order to make the deadline my explanation was rushed and, as a result, flawed. I understand that my accusation seemed unfounded and hypocritical, for the latter I have no excuses, I do look suspicious for my lack of informative posts. I will try to remedy this. My choice to vote for Glirdan was based mostly upon my perception of his actions. Disregarding all of the in character stuff, he seemed suspicious because of his random vote and because of his explanations. The random vote seemed suspicious because the nonchalance of his words seemed to contradict what I perceived as defensiveness in his explanations. We now know that this is innocent, so my perceptions were obviously wrong.

I have been trying to analyze the information posted today and its significance in discovering wereorcs. If I were a wereorc, I would try as hard as possible to make my image separate from that of my fellows in the minds of the other players. This would be beneficial in that if one were to die the others would not be reveled. Because I am new to the village, I am not quite familiar with the nature that individual people ordinarily project. This may handicap my ability to determine if a person is going out of their way to create a different image than usual. I am not trying to imply that this is a universal truth, just a way that one might be better able to figure out who is guilty. I guess that on the first few days this would be especially true. I will come back in a bit and post a list of people and who they have mentioned or interacted with.

[Legolas in spandex]

Reason for my vote: Diamond seems rather spontanious and she set about giving a non-useful post early in the game. She seems overly dramatic in her posts and has some desire to constantly speak of killing orcs, almost in a defesnsive manner as if afraid to speak too much of other things. As I have said..

++Diamond

[Farael]

Legolas' vote WILL count. But please, remember to bold your vote.

[Diamond18]

I have some ideas on who to vote for, but I'm going to hold off as long as possible (non-retractable voting makes me nervous). I'm at work and am about to leave, so when I'm at home and have more leisure to peruse the day thus far, I'll try to do some kind of review of my ideas/suspicions about all the players and make as informed a vote as I can. So, more later.

PS -- LiS, I'm always melodramatic. *dons valkryie cap, braids, and anatomically correct breastplate, sings opera* But I have to close up this joint and get home, so you'll all have to wait for my final aria.

[Caranlondien]

Roa_Aoife

DAY ONE

#5: Notes that the Shaman role is interesting; Shaman need not come forward (villagers who dream can sacrifice themselves instead), but on the other hand, once the Shaman dies, we can't just look back through their posts to figure out who they dreamt of.

#11: Says she thinks deciding whether to reveal the dream is up to the dreamer. Wants to move on and talk about strategies. Comments that random votes are better than no votes at all.

#16: Responds to Jenny's (joking) accusation.

#28: Asks Naria to explain two quotes, one of which was made by Nogrod, not Naria.

#40: Apologizes for misquoting Naria; tells Spawn her response to Jenny was joking. Defends random votes as a last resort.

#46: Says she must vote. Says Diamond is suspicious-looking, but doesn't think an orc would be that reckless off the bat. Decides to vote for Glirdan.

#53: Raises question about Timezones.

#69: Suggests that Sleepy is trying to get lynched because he's been killed Day 1 or Night 1 for the past few games and wants to go for a record.

#74: Points out to Nogrod tht Diamond is currently in the lead for lynching votes.

#76: Updates voting list.

#79: Lists those who have not yet voted.

#91: Says analysis can be difficult.

DAY TWO

#105: Says she'll analyze those who voted for Diamond.

#111: Analysis of Celuien. Decides Celuien looks less suspicious and more helpful.

#115: Laughter at "#71 Calls Sleep a dork"

#116: Analysis of Caran. Say she can't seem to find anything suspicious about me. ( Well, that's good, because I'm innocent).

#120: Analysis of Jenny. Can't seem to find much on her, either, but says that out of the three she's analyzed, Jenny looks most suspicious.

#126: Says Spawn's accusation of her left her confused.

#138: Explains Nogrod's short-hand in his vote summary.

#145: Expresses confusion about Grendelien's reasoning for voting for Glirdan. Agrees with Diamond that everyone seems to be trying to find fault with her. Answers Naria about someone postponing analysis; asks Nogrod his thoughts on "the whole suspicion thing".

#147: Asks Legolas why she voted for Diamond.

#151: Clarifies that she was asking Nogrod about his analysis of people's suspicions.

#154: Apologizes to Farael for "doing his job".

#167: Says she "sort of" agrees with Nogrod about lynching the quiet ones, because orcs can hide in quiets, and it gets quiet the last few days if all the louds are lynched. Lists "the quiet ones" as Findeasea, Grendelien, Kitanna, Zali, Naria, Spawn, and LiS.

#172: Decides that out of the quiet ones, Kitanna is looking the worst right now. Votes for Kitanna, saying she has to leave soon.


My thoughts: Post #11 (when Roa makes the now infamous statement about random votes being better than no votes at all) doesn't seem that suspicious to me. I agree with those who are opposed to random votes, but it seems to me that this statement was made in an attempt to convince people to vote, in general. Since then, she's sort of dropped out of the action, doing some analyses and mostly seeming thoughtful. Now this is no reason to think her guilty, I suppose, but she is clearly being careful. I still don't know what to think about the "killing-the-quiet-ones" scheme, so neither am I sure what to think about Roa's stance on it. In short, I'm keeping my eye on her.

[Sleepy Ranger]

What I Think About You - WITH REASONS!

Caranlondien: Innocent
I believe shes innocent. Shes been active in discussion and hasn't really given me any reason to suspect her.
Suspicion Level: *
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JennyHallu: Not sure
JennyHallu is a very good player and I suggest we keep our eye on her, if shes an innocent then good for us however if she is an orc we're screwed. So I'll be keeping an eye on her just to be safe.
Suspicion Level: ***
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Nogrod: A bit on the suspicious side
Now heres an excellent player. He could pull off quite about anything, whenever I've seen him play as an innocent hes played very well and has always been a prime target of the bad guys. However, in a way I have a feeling that hes been playing this game rather differently. I have a half formed theory linking him with Spawn, I'll work on this and see if anything works out.
Suspicion Level: ****
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Grendelien: Not sure
I'm really not sure what to think about this one.
Suspicion Level: **
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Findëasëa: Flip-floppey
No, I'm not calling her flip-floppey, I'm just saying thats what I am about her. I'd keep an eye on her but theres not enough to see.
Suspicion Level: ***
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Celuien: Not sure
I'm not sure about her. I've a gut feeling that says shes up to no good but thats not really something you can rely on too well. For now I guess I'll leave her be with minimum suspicion.
Suspicion Level: *
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Zali: O_o
Uh... I don't know?
Suspicion Level: N/A
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Diamond: Innocent
I'm pretty sure Diamond is innocent. She never really struck me as suspicious, she had some fun on Day 1 and that alone proves to me she isn't here for the killing. At this stage I'm not really willing to believe that Diamond is anything but innocent, however later developments could prove me wrong, I wont rule it out.
Suspicion Level:
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Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant: Very suspicious
At the moment since I have some sort of link between her and Nogrod I'd be bold enough to say that if she is an orc so is Nogrod and if she is innocent so is Nogrod. Its a very bold statement and probably a bit rash as well but it makes some sort of sense to me so I'll stick with it till I can solidify it. I'd suggest lynching her today.
Suspicion Level: *****
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Kitanna: Somewhat suspicious
She can be a rather aggressive player at times, in fact I believe shes been aggressive in all the games I've seen her play. Her silence disturbs me, could something be wrong? I don't know but I'd definately like to hear from her.
Suspicion Level: ****
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Naria: Innocent
Naria doesn't seem suspicious to me. For now I'd leave her be but once I have a look at the other folk it couldn't hurt to turn her way. For the moment I won't waste my time with her but if I come across anything I shall press.
Suspicion Level: *
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Sleepy Ranger: Self-analysis is lame
I've always found people who analyze themselves sort of guilty. Probably just in my head but oh well, I won't be doing one for myself.
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Legolas in spandex: noob
Shes a noob and has no idea what shes doing. I doubt she would've recieved a special role but with dear Farael, who knows?
Suspicion Level: What you say?
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Roa_Aoife: Probably Innocent
Its a wild guess actually, I'll keep my eye on her but I believe shes innocent. I've seen Roa play as an evil-doer and I've seen her play as an innocent, I don't see much wrong with her.
Suspicion Level: **
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Thats all for now. I'll get to work on my Nogrod-Spawn theory and get back to you folk as soon as I can. My vote will probably be for Spawn but it shall wait, I want to see what develops.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger, emphasis mine

What I Think About You - WITH REASONS!

JennyHallu: Not sure
JennyHallu is a very good player and I suggest we keep our eye on her, if shes an innocent then good for us however if she is an orc we're screwed. So I'll be keeping an eye on her just to be safe.
Suspicion Level: ***

We're screwed.

++JennyHallu

Edit: cross-posted with Sleepy (unfortunately)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Oh My! Azaelia, do you mean to say you've had a dream of JennyHallu and she is an orc? In which case I regret not waiting a few more minutes before voting!

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

There is no going back, now.

That is exactly what I meant to say...so, in a word, yes. I did.

And I fear I will be orc meat tonight...Oh dear.

Edit: cross-posted with Grendelien

I've been going back and forth about this ever since I got in yesterday night. And subtlety was foiled: Jenny plays too well.

[Nogrod]

Oh my!

I think like I have seen this situation before. Nogrod on his way to gallows... Well not yet, but anyhow.

I'll try to catch up with what has happened. Half an hour! Auch...

[Nogrod]

Are there enough of us here still? We need two votes! I can give one.

= Sleepy
Oh My! Azaelia, do you mean to say you've had a dream of JennyHallu and she is an orc?

= Zali
That is exactly what I meant to say.

And I fear I will be orc meat tonight...Oh dear.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I think we can just swing it. By my calculations, 3 people have not yet voted... 4 should be enough for a majority, with the wide variety in votes.

*hurries back to refresh the thread*

[Diamond18]

Well... haven't done my review of the day quite yet, but I think I'm more than willing to join Zali in voting for Jenny. My bad feeling about her from yesterDay has not gone away, only increased, and this is just confirmation that it's more than an automatic bias on my part. It jives with the way I was leaning. Earlier I had decided to hold off on going after Jenny till later; but with a dreamer to back it up, no time like the present. So:

+ + JennyHallu

And, if Jenny does indeed prove guilty, Zali can be crossed off everyone's suspicious list. We have a Ranger to protect her tonight, so I'm exuberant and hopeful at the moment.

Edit: Xposted with, well, lots.