Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Naria · 05-12-2006, 11:22 PM

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To make a long explanation short (and more simple than it really is), to figure the wizards out, all you have to do is think about what the two wizards fear

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Okay, I'll take a stab at this one Phantom. Would it be eachother?

the phantom · 05-12-2006, 11:37 PM

(because it's annoying to type his/her him/herself and such all the time, I'll just refer to roles like EW and GW with masculine pronouns- don't read into it)

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Originally Posted by me

To make a long explanation short (and more simple than it really is), to figure the wizards out, all you have to do is think about what the two wizards fear.

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Originally Posted by Naria

Okay, I'll take a stab at this one Phantom. Would it be eachother?

Sort of, in the sense that a wizard challenge is the only thing that can kill them, but why should they fear death? They have to die. That's the way this works. So they don't fear death so much as the balance of the village at the time of their death.

The Evil Wizard wants to make lots of wolves. The Good Wizard wants to make lots of gifteds, but can only make a maximum of three. After Night 3, the EW adds to his den every night, but the GW does not. That means that the GW wants the wizard challenge to happen early in the game, therefore he does not fear the mass revelation of his identity. For all he cares, the EW can challenge him now.

And so, since he cannot be lynched, cannot be killed by wolves, and cannot be cursed by the EW, the Good Wizard fears NOTHING!

(other than it taking a long time to find the EW)

The Evil Wizard, on the other hand, does not want to be discovered any time remotely soon. Therefore he fears being lynched, fears being scried, fears being dreamed about by the Seer, and fears choosing the same villager at night as the GW. The Evil Wizard fears EVERYTHING!

Naria · 05-12-2006, 11:48 PM

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I think Naria gets the toaster oven (eek, OOC... um, backtracking, rethinking) Naria gets the iron cooking rack.

Ha ha, it is too laugh!! However, it was a good burn Daffy

Naria · 05-12-2006, 11:55 PM

ThanksPhantom that paints a much clearer picture for me concerning the EW and the GW.

See Daffy, that's all you had to do

....I have no use for an Iron cooking rack, my mother does all of the cookery anyway

Naria · 05-13-2006, 12:11 AM

*Tumble weed rolls through the center of town*

Sorry for the triple post, but it seems that I am the only one around right now and as I don't feel like talking to myself at the moment....I will sign off and go to bed.

I will be back in about ten hours or so from now.

the phantom · 05-13-2006, 12:22 AM

Like Naria, I also must take a break. There are a few things that Alca and Cailin want me to take care of at home, and I mustn't disappoint my Mom and Dad.

Plus, I promised Zali I'd cook her dinner tonight, so I've got those preparations to make as well. And don't worry, Diamond, I'll have your little angel back well before nightfall, so there's no need to brandish that fearsome looking battledore.

Diamond18 · 05-13-2006, 12:33 AM

Yes... well, all that about the EW having more to fear than the GW and wanting to stay hidden as long as possible has been discussed as we've been, er, heeding the Watchers prophecy and preparing for the day when the Shadow arrived. The thing that holds me up is wondering how exactly this fear will be apparent in the the EW's posts. Which brings me back around to expecting that the EW will be relatively quiet, banking on slipping just under our watchfulness. Being too quiet is suspicious in and of itself, so we'll be looking for someone riding the middle ground. Problem is, in a village this size, the middle ground will be a vast field full of gopher holes. Nasty little buggers, those. You've got to sneak up from behind and smack them over the heads or... er... I digress.

The only thing my ruminations lead me to is thinking that the EW won't be among the loud players. But then, uh oh, I realize that maybe that's just the sort of logic EW is banking on and he might be trying The Purloined Letter technique instead: hiding in plain sight. Which leaves me with -- the EW could be loud or moderately quiet, ergo, the candidates will consist of a good two thirds of the village.

Finally, I've consulted my Werewolf lorebooks, and they say:

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Originally Posted by Werewolf Lorebooks

When a red fox and a brown cow frolic in the ocean, you will know who the Wizards are.

Bloody lot of help the lorebooks turned out to be. *chucks lorebooks into the fire*

Cailín · 05-13-2006, 02:09 AM

My my. That is quite tragic. Elempi dead? He was the only one in this village who made me feel young still, yes indeed he was, and such a kind man too. But all must die, eventually, I suppose, and with my notoriously bad fortune, I would not be surprised if I were next. Yes, yes. Oh, the sadness of it all.

I see one of my most beloved sons has already been trying to take charge of events. Yes, all as expected. Well, that is very well, but let us attempt not to take him so seriously. Extended adventuring has done funny things to his head, I sometimes fear. Though, mind you, Alcarillo and I have raised him very well indeed and there is –I assure you- not a trace of wickedness to be found in the brave lad.

As to what he keeps hidden beneath his cloak, perhaps we should ask Zali about that.

And, considering the charges laid against my other son, I must ask you all to back off. I shall be the one to decide if and when he needs a good lynching. Yes, indeed. Aside from tormenting his poor mother, he has done little wrong in his life. I think. I must confess, it’s hard to keep track of them both sometimes.

It seems to me, truly, that what we as a village should do is trying to aid the Good Wizard in finding the Evil Wizard as soon as possible. Amidst these masses of more or less suspicious people, it would be nearly impossible to find the two fanged ones anyway. Also, those who are guilty today, could be pure as the snow tomorrow. There are only two consistent men or women here… and those are the ones we should watch. I agree with the phantom here: the advantage of the Good Wizard is plainly that he does not fear death. Whether we shall see evidence of this in posting, I cannot tell.

There are more pressing matters to deal with, however. Fea, dear, are you sure you do not wish to remarry? I found such a great match for you. Trust me.

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the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Like Naria, I also must take a break. There are a few things that Alca and Cailin want me to take care of at home, and I mustn't disappoint my Mom and Dad. Plus, I promised Zali I'd cook her dinner tonight, so I've got those preparations to make as well. And don't worry, Diamond, I'll have your little angel back well before nightfall, so there's no need to brandish that fearsome looking battledore. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

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05-12-2006, 11:55 PM	#4
Naria Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 500	ThanksPhantom that paints a much clearer picture for me concerning the EW and the GW. See Daffy, that's all you had to do ....I have no use for an Iron cooking rack, my mother does all of the cookery anyway

05-13-2006, 12:11 AM	#5
Naria Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 500	Tumble weed rolls through the center of town Sorry for the triple post, but it seems that I am the only one around right now and as I don't feel like talking to myself at the moment....I will sign off and go to bed. I will be back in about ten hours or so from now.

05-13-2006, 02:09 AM	#8
Cailín Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lurking in the shadows. Posts: 711	My my. That is quite tragic. Elempi dead? He was the only one in this village who made me feel young still, yes indeed he was, and such a kind man too. But all must die, eventually, I suppose, and with my notoriously bad fortune, I would not be surprised if I were next. Yes, yes. Oh, the sadness of it all. I see one of my most beloved sons has already been trying to take charge of events. Yes, all as expected. Well, that is very well, but let us attempt not to take him so seriously. Extended adventuring has done funny things to his head, I sometimes fear. Though, mind you, Alcarillo and I have raised him very well indeed and there is –I assure you- not a trace of wickedness to be found in the brave lad. As to what he keeps hidden beneath his cloak, perhaps we should ask Zali about that. And, considering the charges laid against my other son, I must ask you all to back off. I shall be the one to decide if and when he needs a good lynching. Yes, indeed. Aside from tormenting his poor mother, he has done little wrong in his life. I think. I must confess, it’s hard to keep track of them both sometimes. It seems to me, truly, that what we as a village should do is trying to aid the Good Wizard in finding the Evil Wizard as soon as possible. Amidst these masses of more or less suspicious people, it would be nearly impossible to find the two fanged ones anyway. Also, those who are guilty today, could be pure as the snow tomorrow. There are only two consistent men or women here… and those are the ones we should watch. I agree with the phantom here: the advantage of the Good Wizard is plainly that he does not fear death. Whether we shall see evidence of this in posting, I cannot tell. There are more pressing matters to deal with, however. Fea, dear, are you sure you do not wish to remarry? I found such a great match for you. Trust me.