Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[Cailín]

Difficult, difficult.

I am still reluctant to think Nogrod a wolf, because he would not have been my choice. I know he loves stirring up confusion and discussion, which would just be too risky for the EW. Then again, he might be the EW.

Aside from the fact that I would choose Lalaith and still think she'd make a good original wolf, I do not find her overly suspicious at the moment.

That's the primary lynching candidates right now. If I'd be forced to choose between them, Lalaith would be my choice. However, neither I'd be perfectly happy with.

I'd much rather repeat my vote for Oddwen, whose silence is quite disturbing. My lorebooks say nothing about her or her ancestors, but I heard some rumours that tell of a different kind of behaviour. However, I fear it would be a throwaway vote, not helpful to anyone.

My generally untrustworthy intuition is telling me to look closely at Kath and Nilpaurion Felagund.

Oh, and Fea, it's about the wolves names, not their personalities. I thought you loved alliteration? Lhuna, Lalaith and Loki would be very poetically responsible. Not to mention quite a reasonable team. Yeah. That's all.

I have to think about this.

[littlemanpoet]

Cailín's and Alcarillo's preferences in names were a mystery to the rest of the residents of Sealville. "Theph Antom?" Saucy had asked. "What is that, a variant on phlegm and spit?" "Now, Saucy," Celuien would say, "you shouldn't say such things. How do you ever expect his parents to give you business?" "At least they didn't mess up on that younger son," Saucy had been known to say, "Good solid name from the eastern parts. Where they ever heard of such a name I couldn't say, but 'Eomer' just has a better ring to it than 'Theph'." Saucy would shake his head.

Theph Antom, son of Alcar Illo, left town as soon as he could. He left a pimply, pale, self-conscious teen who always cringed when others would mock his name and compare it to spit, phlegm, and things yet worse. "He'll probably die in a rat hole somewhere," Lalaith had said once.

When he returned to Sealville, the residents at first did not realize it was the same person. Confident he was, swaggering he walked, and called himself "The phantom". Eyebrows rose. "Better way to cut the name up," Saucy had commented. "Has a ring to it," Lalaith admitted. "What that new twist has in it," growled Sleepy, 'is a darkness, something not altogether of the day, if you take my meaning." Diamond agreed with Sleepy, and liked the change even less when the phantom took a liking to her middle daughter.
"He's reckless, arrogant, and altogether too adventurous for Zali. No good will come of it, you'll see," she proffered, or prophesied, depending on who remembered her words and how they took them.

Naria, now, she didn't seem to cast more than a half a glance at the phantom, so busy she was with her own simple life. "Chamber pots," commented Lalaith, rolling her eyes. "Who on earth would choose such a job?" "Well don't you know," gossiped Roa, "Saucy and Celuey never paid her enough attention. Neglected the poor thing, made her think she was worth no more than what you find in chamber pots, so it was natural she'd take to them." "You're weaving yet another odd tale, Roa," said Diamond.

The long and the short of it was that the entire village was aghast, surprised, and benumbed the morning of the new day when they found Naria and the phantom arm in arm, body to body, tight as lovers, lying at the foot of the Watcher rock. They weren't moving. They were both dead. The phantom's hand was still on a knife in the throat of Naria. Naria's now human teeth were still on the torn throat of the phantom.

~ The Tally ~

One evil wizard
One good wizard
Two werewolves
One seer

~ The Dead ~

Elempi, father of Diamond of the Battledore, killed on Night One
Loki the leech collector, lynched on Day One: innocent
The Saucepan Man the barkeep, killed on Night Two: innocent
Nogrod the retired jester, lynched on Day Two: werewolf
the phantom the loud, unpredictable, adventurer: hunter
Naria the servant who empties and cleans chamber pots: werewolf

~ The Living ~

Diamond of the Battledore
Celuien the Healer and Cupper
Caranlondien the Sled-Team Driver
Roa Aoife the weaver
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Baker
Kath the minstrel
Lommy the little girl who steals other children's candy
Lhunardawen the jeweler
Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath
Valier the gardener
Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer
Kitanna the beloved of Eomer
Firefoot the artist
Alcarillo the old retired sea captain
Cailín the match maker
Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin who steals chickens
mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor
Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration
Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom
Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt
Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen
Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen
Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna
Nilpaurion the ne'er do well hubby of Dancing Spawn
Gurthang the stable-hand

[Celuien]

I can't believe it. My child a werewolf and the phantom dead. Though it was my own girl, I am glad that the phantom realized what she was. Still, I would have preferred her to be uncursed than slain.

I know that things look a might odd for me. I defended my girl on the first day and was hesitant to vote for Nogrod. With a record of defending what turned out to be two wolves, I must look like the evil wizard. I'm not. I defended Naria on the first day of this madness only because she was my daughter. Nogrod had me fooled until Roa's insight. But if someone comes out strongly saying that I am the EW, I'd suspect that person of actually being the EW trying to deflect attention onto me.

I wonder. Was there anyone else who defended them? Assuming that Naria was not a newly changed wolf (and being quiet, I'd assume she was one of the original wolves), someone who defended both over the first two days could be the EW. Only the EW knew that they were both wolves, after all. Something for me to look into.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Celuien

I know that things look a might odd for me. I defended my girl on the first day and was hesitant to vote for Nogrod. With a record of defending what turned out to be two wolves, I must look like the evil wizard. I'm not. I defended Naria on the first day of this madness only because she was my daughter. Nogrod had me fooled until Roa's insight. But if someone comes out strongly saying that I am the EW, I'd suspect that person of actually being the EW trying to deflect attention onto me.

I wonder. Was there anyone else who defended them? Assuming that Naria was not a newly changed wolf (and being quiet, I'd assume she was one of the original wolves), someone who defended both over the first two days could be the EW. Only the EW knew that they were both wolves, after all. Something for me to look into.

Okay, this is the weirdest post I've seen - I don't even know where to start with it.

1) No one has really suspected Celuien yet. She's made appearances on quite a few "possible EW picks" lists, but anyone hasn't made a case against her. Why this sudden need to defend herself?

2) Over than a half of the villagers did not vote for Nogrod. Why would this look remarkably bad just for Celuien then? Because she happened to defend Naria, too? A lot of people make mistakes, but if you freak out and start explaining your actions even before anyone has suspected you, it looks weird to me.

3) So, the EW is likely to be someone who has acted like Celuien, but it's not her, and anyone who accuses her is probably the EW. Right... A bit like if I said that if anyone suspects me to be a Wolf, they must be Wolves themselves. Are you trying to scare people from analysing you by hinting that they could be the EW?

4) Celuien's theory is that someone who has defended both Nogrod and Naria could be the EW, but she's so busy with defending herself that she doesn't check if there is anyone like that than herself (except a bit later; she didn't find any). Besides, it rather contradicts with what she said the Day before yesterDay:

I wonder if the EW would risk exposure by openly defending a transformed villagers

When phantom said that it might be either way, Celuien replied:

That's true, but I think that there are less suspicion raising and simpler ways to make a good defense against wizardry. Unless the EW is a very bold, very brash sort, of course.

This post by Celuien makes me really uneasy. I'll go doing some rereading now.

[Celuien]

Well, no, Valier and Morm both thought I was suspcious yesterday. And while I was locked in my cottage last night pondering the fate that has fallen on us, I began to wonder if the EW had been defending its creatures. Then it occured to me that I might look decidedly EW like, so I thought I'd answer it off the bat(tledore) to avoid a pointless argument over if I were or not.

It's not meant to stop anyone from trying to analyse me. Not in the least. Thing is, I thought I had a method of EW spotting, but one that I couldn't put forward without looking like it myself, so it was offered with a defense.

And I am perfectly allowed to look at things from different viewpoints. I didn't think yesterday that the EW would have been brazen enough to defend anyone of the transformees. But in light of circumstances, I wondered if it was a possibilityand wanted to look into it. All I wanted to do was change my perspective. Phantom was right about a lot of things. I thought that just maybe he was right about that too. Who's to say that the EW isn't brash? There's at least one candidate present who would fit the bill.

[Cailín]

I was in desperate need of a suspect / impressions list for myself, since I fear I am losing overview. So here it is:

Diamond -

Voted: Loki, Nogrod

She has said a lot these past few days, and not everything is relevant. However, she appears to be genuine. I do believe that the wizard who chose Nogrod, Naria and Loki might have picked Diamond18 to be his/her wolf as well. However, I am inclined to say she's innocent. Noteworthy that she voted for the winning candidate on both days.

Celuien -

Voted: Lommy and Lalaith

Another one who speaks a lot, yet slightly more suspicious than Diamond. In hindsight, her votes do seem a little odd. Lalaith is explainable at that time but though she provided a rather extended analysis of Lommy before voting for her, I don't think it was very reasonable. However, twas Day one, so who is reasonable then?

There is something about her that makes me uncomfortable. I am not putting the wizard past the frog, if you get my meaning.

Caranlondien -

Voted: Loki, Nogrod

There is less information on Caran. She has posted regularly, but said less than some and even her voting pattern underlines her inclination to go with the crowd. She was suspicious of Lommy, yesterDay, as well. She has been clarifying things, tallying votes but provided few theories of her own. I do not think her particularly guilty, but not very innocent either. She might just be a little overwhelmed.

Roa Aoife -

Voted: Nogrod.

What a fierce attack on Nogrod and what a victory indeed. Roa has played a remarkably clean game so far: voting twice for the wolf and defending the innocent. She is not cleared yet. This game is far too dynamic to believe her innocent. I do think it is unlikely she is the Evil Wizard, though, which is good in itself.

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant -

Voted: Lhuna, Oddwen

Spawn has been able to remain inconspicuous. Her analysis has been less involved, but this is a large village and dynamics are completely different. Voices of reason seem usually rather lost in our situation.
However, I must admit that both Spawn's votes seem a little 'throwaway' in the masses. YesterDay, I myself was too stubborn to believe Nogrod could be a wolf (bad quality of mine) because I would not have made him a wolf. I can hardly judge people who did the same as me. But I am going to keep a closer eye on Spawn. She is different, somehow. Yet also no primary suspect.

Kath -

Voted: Lommy, Nogrod

Now I am pretty sure Kath is not a wizard. That can be ascribed to one of these feeling thingies, but also because she is seemingly not quite committed to the game. She would be my choice for a wolf, which is why I continue to regard her with some suspicion. However, her short posts are rather to the point. I'd wish to seem some more thoughts from Kath, but she might just be innocent after all. (No! She must be guilty! She must be!)

Lommy -

Voted: Nogrod

Why do people suspect Lommy? Because she has a tendency for drawing negative attention. Sorry Lom. I must agree with what Eomer said in the first place: the EW must be mad to choose Lommy as one of his wolves. However, the EW is certainly criminally insane (Nilp after all?) and he might have done it. I think not, however. I think Lommy is innocent.

Lhunardawen -

Voted: Eomer, no vote.

Lhuna, where art thou?
She might be wolvish. I'd vote Eomer if I were a wolf. In other words, I am clueless.

Glirdan -

Voted: Oddwen, no vote.

Well, Glirdan is gone I believe. He is also no wizard. Nor a wolf. I am quite convinced of it. It is strange that there has been no bandwagon against him as of yet and maybe we should start one for tradition's sake.

Valier -

Voted: Loki, Oddwen

Personally I greatly respect Valier as an asset for the good side, since she does have the most unnatural instinct for pointing out evil wherever it may try to hide. Currently, her instincts are either failing her or she has already been recruited for the forces of evil. I will have to see how she continues contributing toDay.

Sleepy Ranger -

Voted: no one, Fea.

Another silent one. Extremely silent, I might add. I cannot say much about him.

Kitanna -

Voted: Loki, Nogrod

Some great contributions yesterDay. As I hope she will marry my son before this ordeal is over, I wish to believe her innocent. She would, however, be a good pick for the EW. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Firefoot -

Voted: Lommy, Roa

She defended Nogrod almost passionately yesterDay. I think she is likely innocent. Actually, she is far too adorable to believe her capable of any mischief. In short: her defense of Nogrod even after he was doomed and her continuously helpful contributions convince me that she has the village's best interests at heart.

Alcarillo -

Voted: Nogrod

My husband… yes, indeed, he does not say much. He is a good listener though. Has to be, after having been married to me for so long. I do not find him as suspicious as some, mainly because I do not think his defensiveness -though that is definitely noteworthy- nor his in character posts to be so wolvish. Be assured, however, that I shall be watching him very closely. Just one misstep and…

Cailín -

Voted: Oddwen.

I can hardly analyse myself. I am innocent, though.

Oddwen -

Voted: no vote, Lalaith

Yes, I find her silence and unhelpful behaviour highly suspicious, as can be gathered from my votes. I still cannot excuse her; she remains high up on my suspect list.

mormegil -

Voted: Kath, Nogrod

He seems a little less rash in his conclusions concerning guilt and innocence than usual, and I like that. His case against Eomer toDay was reasonable and brave to put forward and he has been right a lot so far. I cannot discount him as a possible wolf or wizard, but I think he might just be innocent. Since I tend to suspect Mormegil no matter what, I might not be all that reliable.

Feanor -

Voted: Loki, Roa

Isn't Fea wonderful? Her votes are totally off and yet she appears more innocent than anyone in this village does. I regret objecting to having her in my family at all. Well, anyway, she comes across as an innocent, though I have heard rumours that she can easily hide her evil nature. She is not my primary suspect.

I am still not discounting her as the Evil Wizard, though.

Zali -

Voted: Loki, Nogrod, Eomer

Hmm Zali… I am sorry I have to accuse you of anything right after phantom, whom you clearly adored, died, but you are starting to worry me somewhat. Yes, you did vote for Nogrod, but only after he was (practically) already doomed. Same goes for Loki. And now you just jump up at Mormegil's theory -not only that- if you are mistaken, he is to blame. That is a bit weird. However, considering the lorebooks… you are always suspicious.

Jenny Hallu -

Voted: Saucepan Man, no vote

JennyHallu is also slowly rising on my suspicious list. She has not said much yesterDay, which makes me hesitant to judge her, but I know she'd be a clever pick for the EW and she has done nothing that really speaks for her innocence. I also find it interesting that her vote for the Saucepan Man on Day 1 was more or less ignored by the crowd.

Lalaith -

Voted: Loki, Oddwen

Lalaith is a very clever woman, we all know that. Despite the fact that she appears to be helpful and thoughtful as usual, I find something a bit different about her. I am sorry, Lal, but I continue to find you a little suspicious. Her canon fodder theory has been the topic of discussion for quite a while now, but I don't find anything odd about it. I do find it a little odd that she decided Loki fit that description.

Eonwe -

Voted: Nilp, no vote

Silent, silent. Unlikely evil.

Eomer -

Voted: Nogrod

Oh dear. Eomer, promise your mum you haven't meddled with dark forces. Promise? Please? (in other words: as usual, I have difficulties judging which side Eomer is on. I see the sense behind Mormegil's words, but when I personally scrutinize Eomer's posts, I come up with nothing. He might have an unhealthy obsession for wizardry, but is that enough to condemn him?)

Nilpaurion -

Voted: Nogrod, Valier

Phantom believed Nilp might have been a wizard. I do not. His lack of voting for himself is noteworthy, but I ascribe that to him being happily married for once. I do not trust him at all, but who could?

I'm pretty confident about my vote, though.

++Nogrod

I am quoting this because I found it very interesting indeed, especially because the vote was not repeated the Day after.

Gurthang -

Voted: Lommy, Nogrod

He is a little silent and I am not used to that. Still, I find no reason to particularly suspect him as of yet.

--

Wow, that took me quite a while. At least I do not think I missed anyone this time.

[Lalaith]

I've got to do some reading of overnight posts now, but I thought I'd just mention this: after my suspicions of Oddwen yesterday, I did a little lorebook studying, because despite her being my ward, it is a long time since her branch of the family and mine actually had much to do with each other.

What I found was that her ancestors have often behaved this strange and elusive way, whether infected with lycantrophy or not.
Which is helpful.

Well, more later once I've caught up.

[Lalaith]

Oh, and here are some notes I have made to keep track of events and get my own thoughts straight, which might be of help to others.

Night One: Three wolves were created, one turned back.

Night Two: One more wolf was created, adding to original two.

Day Two: One wolf (Nogrod) is killed.

Night Three: A wolf is created. A wolf (Naria) is killed.


Was Naria a Night One wolf? Was Nogrod? Would the EW have risked cursing Noggie on Night Two?
Our two remaining wolves - one is almost certainly the one who was cursed last Night (Three). The other - is s/he a Night One or Night Two wolf? It is quite possible that both wolves now living, were innocent on the first day.

As for the changed wolf, there are three possibilities:
1. Loki was telling the truth.
2. It was Saucie.
3. S/he is still among us. If 3, should they come forward?

Last night the Seer had his/her first dream. Could this have been of Naria, which information was then conveyed to our brave Hunter? Or did he seek her out due to his own suspicions?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, I must go now, so I guess I must vote.

++Azaelia of Willowbottom

I find her today most odd. Voting for the most possible bandwaggon target while covering her tracks make her look too . . . wolvish.

Besides, from what I've read of her she's pretty smart, though often underestimated. Makes for a promising EW target.

Good day!

[Firefoot]

Well, I'd say that was lucky indeed. phantom, you will be missed, but you have our thanks for ridding this village of another werewolf. Naria, huh? I'd like to know what brought that choice about... I'll be honest and say I can remember absolutely nothing about her. I'll have to go back and check that out sometime. But a fortunate pick nevertheless.

As for Nogrod... well, consulting my lorebooks, yep, my ancestors have had pretty poor luck recognizing wolves too. A family of unwitting cobblers we are. And my own father, too! What a horrible curse this is upon our village!

The final count of yesterDay's voting:

Valier – 1 (Nilp 1)
Lalaith – 2 (Celuien 2, Oddwen 3)
Nogrod – 11 (Diamond 4, Thinlomien 7, Roa 8, Morm 9, Kath 11, Caran 12, Kitanna 15, Eomer 14, Gurthang 19, Azaelia 21, Alcarillo 23)
Roa – 2 (Fea 5, Firefoot 24)
Fea – 1 (Sleepy 6)
Oddwen – 6 (Spawn 10, Cailin 16, Lalaith 17, Nogrod 18, Naria 20, Valier 22)
Nilp – 1 (phantom 13)

Did not vote: Glirdan, Lhuna, Jenny, Eonwe

It's a shame that we don't know whether Naria was a wolf prior to this last night when she died. Maybe it would help, maybe it wouldn't. But as for people who defended Nogrod and Naria possibly being the EW - not necessarily. Remember, we don't know how long they've been wolves. Not that it shouldn't be used; but it's not infallible. (Okay, nothing in this game is infallible...)

I'm a little curious as to why the GW chose a hunter before a ranger... I would think the ranger would be more useful, but I suppose s/he had their reasons. This time around it certainly proved fortuitous.

[Kath]

Oh well done phantom! If this were a normal game we'd be well on the way to winning by now

It seems most of the village will be going back and looking at Naria's posts after this, I don't recall her saying a great deal though.

Post 40:
In character comments.

Post 42:
Answers phantom's question about what the wizards fear - each other.

Posts 46/7/8:
Joking, thanks phantom for explaining the GW and EW and says she's off.

Post 137:
Suspects Nogrod, phantom and dad (who is dad?). If she's an original wolf as someone suggested I'm not sure she would go after Nogrod quite so strongly. A good bluff to be sure, but still. Though at this time she wouldn't have known it would start such a bandwagon so it could have been a relatively safe option. Also suspects Sauce (unless he is her dad, I'm so confused!) as his posts aren't as insightful as normal. We know Sauce was innocent so anyone she has said this about may be likely to be innocent as well. Says she doesn't suspect Loki.

Post 155:
Voted Nogrod.

Post 371:
Defends her and others quietness. Says she has some suspicions and will return with a reasoned vote.

Post 348:
Voted Oddwen because she didn't vote the day before and barely had a reason for voting this day. In hindsight it does look like she's trying not to be involved with Nogrod, and trying to get the Oddwen bandwagon up and running again.

I hope thats of some help to those of you better at analysis and me and less tired! I'll be back tomorrow when hopefully my brain will start working again, and I won't have to sit thinking hard on how to spell right

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Kath

Post 137:
Suspects Nogrod, phantom and dad (who is dad?). If she's an original wolf as someone suggested I'm not sure she would go after Nogrod quite so strongly. A good bluff to be sure, but still. Though at this time she wouldn't have known it would start such a bandwagon so it could have been a relatively safe option. Also suspects Sauce (unless he is her dad, I'm so confused!) as his posts aren't as insightful as normal. We know Sauce was innocent so anyone she has said this about may be likely to be innocent as well. Says she doesn't suspect Loki.

Naria's dad was Saucy.

Naria might still have been an original wolf. The wolves don't have to know each other's identities, so even if Naria and Nogrod were both wolves that first day, she could have accused him accidentally.

Couldn't find anyone who defended both of them. Of course, Naria did say so little that she never really came under enough suspicion to warrant a defense.

About the phantom:

Phantom's death last night I think makes it even less likely that Nilp is a wolf (or EW). Phantom advertised to become the Hunter yesterday and voted for Nilp. Had Nilp been a wolf, knowing that tp was a good candidate to become the Hunter, I doubt the wolves would have chosen him for a kill. Or have been allowed to choose him, as the Hunter's failure would have revealed the EW to the village.

Finally, Roa definitely seems innocent to me after what happened with Nogrod yesterday. I seriously doubt a wolf-Roa would have attacked him so strongly yesterday.

EDIT: crossed with 365 on.

[Lalaith]

Astonishing. And quite brilliant. Well done, good team....

I'm a little curious as to why the GW chose a hunter before a ranger

As to that, Firefoot, I'm wondering whether the GW had got some werewolf sniffs and so created a Hunter that he knew was likely to die soon at the hands of the wolves.
In any case, Phantom was a good choice to scry: if he was the EW, best to know quickly; if he was a wolf, better to have him back on the right side; and if you were to give him a gift, give him Hunter because it's a gift you need to die to use.

I must go to sleep now (midnight BST) and will join you all in a few hours.

[Lalaith]

Oh one last thing, as I cross-posted with Kath:

In hindsight it does look like she's trying not to be involved with Nogrod,

Kath, as far as I understand the rules, Naria wouldn't know that Nogrod was a fellow wolf. She might have guessed, of course...is that what you mean?

[Firefoot]

Kath, as far as I understand the rules, Naria wouldn't know that Nogrod was a fellow wolf. She might have guessed, of course...is that what you mean?

The wolves do not necessarily know who the other wolves are - but the EW has the power to tell them. I think most of us have just assumed that it would be in the better interest of the baddies for the wolves not to know each other.

[Firefoot]

No, sorry, that's wrong. My understanding of the rules was wrong - I went back and checked; wolves do not know who each other are. Gah, should have looked before posting.

That's good to know. I had been assuming that they might or they might not. Certainty is always good...

[Kitanna]

Celuien=
I know that things look a might odd for me. I defended my girl on the first day and was hesitant to vote for Nogrod. With a record of defending what turned out to be two wolves, I must look like the evil wizard.

I wonder. Was there anyone else who defended them? Assuming that Naria was not a newly changed wolf (and being quiet, I'd assume she was one of the original wolves), someone who defended both over the first two days could be the EW. Only the EW knew that they were both wolves, after all. Something for me to look into.

See the problem with that is the EW probably didn't defend both (or maybe even one) of the wolves. You say your defending two known wolves makes you look suspicious, but you put out that we should search for others that did the same thing. That's just inviting trouble for yourself.
Assuming Naria and Nogrod were both wolves from the start I doubt the EW mentioned both together in the same post (as possible wolves or innocents). But if we assume one of them was changed into a wolf on the second night we should look at villagers who defended one on one day and defended the other the other day. Which also seems to point in Celuien's direction.
I'm leaning toward the innocence of Celuien, maybe because she's my dear old mom, or maybe because she put in the first post today throwing suspicions her way early, that seems like a pretty risky move for EW Celuien. We shall see how this day goes.

Firefoot=
I went back and did my own research on Eomer, and I found that Morm was right: Eomer seems alarmingly obsessed with the EW

With most other villagers I would say it is far too reckless to always make statements about what "I would do if I were the guilty party", but in the case of Eomer it is too dangerous too ignore. He has a terrible history of bluffing his way out of trouble.

Morm=
Eomer is a brazen character and wouldn't shirk at the thought of killing off his wolves, looking at the vote for Nogrod indicates he did just that.

Firefoot=
Well, if he was the EW, of course he wouldn't be eager to see Nogrod die. But I know from my lorebooks that Eomer is not at all averse to dispensing with his own comrades to make himself look better - and he would certainly be able to afford it, in a game like this, always making new minions.

Knowing he can always make new wolves and using the fact he helped in ridding us of Nogrod, Eomer will try to warm us over with the logic "I helped cast a deciding vote for Nogrod at a pivotal time in the voting process, how could I be the EW?" I've seen this logic from him before and if he really is the EW, no doubt he will be trying it again.

I can see Eomer as the EW and all that Morm has said makes me suspect him even more, but I'm not completely convinced yet. When I see Eomer's reaction today I'm sure my mind will be clearer on the matter.
In any case I feel Morm is most likely an innocent. Just a feeling though.

Zali=
Oddwen looked pretty suspicious to me yesterday as well, but after Naria's attempt to shift things her direction, I believe she is innocent.

Mmm interesting, but I don't think it completely clears Oddwen. If Oddwen is a wolf Naria wouldn't really know, so she could have picked someone who had already gained suspicions and just tried to put everyone's attention on them. I look forward to whatever Oddwen has to say today.

To be continued...

[Kitanna]

Diamond=
The most suspicious looking perseon right now, I would say, would be Diamond. That's me. (Duh.) I got on Loki's case early and voted for him first. Celuien seems to be a more subtle Loki-attacker, however, which makes me look askance at her. (Especially since I know I'm innocent, so whoever looks second-worse than me is first in my view.)

Ok Diamond and Celuien have both mentioned that they are going to look suspcious today. Celuien because she defended Naria and Nogrod, proven wolves. Diamond because she went after Loki pretty early, just like Nogrod. The two are a little suspicious, but I don't find them overly so. They know where they stand and they know the danger they could be in, so they call attention to it first, which is risky and which makes them appear more innocent to me. However, I've fallen for the bluff/double-bluff before which is why I'm keeping those two on my radar.

Celuien=
Then it occured to me that I might look decidedly EW like, so I thought I'd answer it off the bat(tledore) to avoid a pointless argument over if I were or not.

Ok, perhaps I have misjudged (and all in one post, classy of me). I still defend Celuien's coming out early to defend herself because she probably would have fallen under attack to day. But the fact she would deem villager's looking at her as a "pointless argument" is unsettling.

Eomer=
Mormegil, I'm trying to think like the EW in order to guess who he/she picked as wolves. Because, in the early going at least, there's no solid logic to work with. It's mostly guesswork. That's why I consider what would be good EW picks and go from there.

I expected no other response from you in your defense.

Lalaith=
2. Call me stubborn but I still don't think Loki was the changed wolf. I can see why the EW would pick him but not the GW.

Unless the wizards think alike. Which is possible, trying to anticipate the other's moves and motives.

Diamond=
Celuien -- One of my theories makes her look very bad, but it's the same one that makes me look downright terrible, so I don't think I should be condeming her for it. In other words, if I'm innocent probably she is too.

...So you're not going with the theory that you seemed so confident of before because if you're innocent, your runner up must be innocent too? Suddenly I regret my defense of you and Celuien.

[Valier]

Wow that was just crazy!!!! I had time before I went to bed last night to read the death and I was up all night thinking about it....So we now know that Nogrod and Naria as well as perhaps Loki were wolves...Now I got to thinking...who would pick these people for there team? I think we need to focus on killing the EW and soon!! So my list of EW suspects goes as follows...

Diamond18
Roa_Aoife
Sleepy Ranger
Kath

Now I still have to read through all the post that have been made so far today, but I will be around for the rest of the day. so I will be back with somemore stuff on these suspects......Expecially Kath and Roa.....They would make good EW's and would more than likely pick the two N's for wolves....

[Diamond18]

Since I have a minute before heading out the door (er, ten minutes to be exact) this caught my eye,

Originally Posted by Kitanna

...So you're not going with the theory that you seemed so confident of before because if you're innocent, your runner up must be innocent too? Suddenly I regret my defense of you and Celuien.

How have I come across as confident? I had an idea which I thought had some worth, so I devoted my mindset to it. I went to the trouble of looking over old posts to see if they backed me up, and I came up with a lot of possibilities but nothing really stupendous. I'm rather disappointed, if anything.

Celuien I have not found especially guilty looking over the last couple days, and her posting this morning (which I said I was going to watch closely) hasn't done anything to make me go "aha!" Ergo, I didn't want to vote for her because the only really suspicious thing I could find about her was when I looked at her through the lenses of my wacky theories.

I had another thought whilst in the shower (can't very go off to the battledore shop smelly, eh?) -- that since Nogrod and I did a bit of talking about not voting for family on Day 1, I wonder if the Evil Wizard thought to use that to ensure a bit of safety for two of his wolves (besides Loki.) Which only ups my suspicion of my dear darling Azaelia.