Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[the phantom]

Well, I have to leave now.

A couple last minute things.

GW- Prepare a code to teach your gifteds. If I'm remembering the rules correctly you can communicate with them. When you see the end approaching and there is little chance of one of your gifteds ending up on the other side as a Werewolf, give a code to your gifteds that will allow the Seer to broadcast the results of his/her dreams to the other gifteds after you are gone.

A simplified example-
If the Seer dreams someone innocent, in a sentence talking about the person, the word that follows the person's name will begin with the letters A-J, and at least one other word in the sentence will start with the same first letter as the person's name.

If the Seer dreams someone guilty, in a sentence talking about the person, the word that follows the person's name will begin with the letters K-S, and there will be at least one word in the sentence having to do with weather or color.

You get the idea.

Teach those gifteds how to continue being a team even after your death.

As for my vote... hmmm....

+ + Nilp

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm so proud of you, phantom.

I'm pretty much convinced Roa is innocent (just now) whatever Nogrod turns out to be. And that information at least should be discovered today.

++NOGROD

[Firefoot]

phantom's post about the gifteds speaking in code makes sense, and it's telling me that (toDay, anyway) phantom is innocent. If he were a wolf, he might think of that as being a good idea for the gifteds, but he would have absolutely no reason to post it. That would be directly aiding the other side, and phantom wouldn't do that.

[Kitanna]

++ Nogrod
Roa has brought very good points against him and I won't bore you by restating everyone now, but here are the reasons I have decided to pick Nogrod over Oddwen today.

1) His attack on Loki began early, suggesting Loki may have been speaking the truth about being changed from a wolf to an innocent and if that's true Nogrod's response to plant doubts about Loki early is reasonable.
2) His tactics seem to have changed today and he says he does that every game, but I don't recall past Nogrod's doing that. Maybe he speaks the truth or maybe he was an innocent yesterday and needed to change tactics.
3) He says the EW would refrain from picking someone like him because he is loud. That type of statement had me questioning Loki yesterday. Only for Loki it was why he would be picked not why he wouldn't be picked. Everytime someone uses that defense red flags go up all over my mind.
4) He restates the same thing often. Not a bad thing, but often times that is all he adds to the discussion and is giving us nothing new to look at. That doesn't seem like a very Nogrod thing to do, considering past Nogrod's have gotten angry with others for doing just that.

[Cailín]

Well, I don't think I can save Nogrod and feel no strong inclination to try and do so. However:

++ ODDWEN

For the same reasons as yesterDay and toDay for the same (basic) reasons as Spawn.

[Nogrod]

I just love this unanimosity between the villagers... You really seem to have made up your minds now, haven't you?

I can't blame you. This has been such a jungle of opinions, that making a clear and considered argument has just been a nightmare. So it's very easy to bandwagon on one who has taken the lead in the tally. You can always say tomorrow, that you were just having the same suspicions that every other one had. So nice to cover oneself in the mass-opinion. And especially for the wolves... quite handy, as there will be 10 people or more to look - and so the confusion goes on and the EW & her/his wolves grin ever more widely.

Sorry people: use your own minds for a change?

EDIT: X-posted with Cailin

[Nogrod]

Sorry Roa, I'm doing this again. But I really want to see, if I should still try to fight for myself - or try to help you a bit before I go.

So:
Nogrod 8
Oddwen 2
Lalaith 2
Valier, Roa, Fea 1

16 votes given... from 28?

We still have time to settle this right.

EDIT: X-posted with Valier & removed the similar tally out

[Lalaith]

I need to go now, and I'm not sure what to do. The Nogrod bandwaggon is rolling, and as someone with two votes I suppose it would be canniest for me to join it, but I'm just not convinced. The only thing that feels different about him to me, is that he didn't flood-post on the first day, and in a village this size, I'm quite grateful...

As I said before, I'm going to have to try to find wolves more by instinct, which I don't really like doing. Two players which I have felt uncomfortable about are Gurthang and Celuien. Neither have garnered any votes so far, however, so it would be a wasted vote to go for either of them. I think retaliatory voting is naff, but I know I'm innocent and I think Nogrod is quite probably innocent, so the only option is
++ODDWEN
who I think is living up to the first part of her name and is more likely to be a wolf than Nogrod.

[Nogrod]

Nogrod 8
Oddwen 4
Lalaith 2
Valier, Roa, Fea 1

18 votes given... from 28?

Valier: your list misses Firefoot...

EDIT: X-posted with Firefoot

[Valier]

Still left to vote...

Glirdan
Valier
Lhuna
Alcarillo
Azaelia
Naria
Jenny
Eonwe
Gurthang
Firefoot

Sorry bout that! I thought I was missing someone....Ok well I really don't think the baddie is Nogrod, and Oddwen's vote was weird, but enough to lynch her?...Lalaith has somewhat stood out to me, but not much and none of the others seem suspisous to me yet....I think there are definately at least two wolves hiding amongst the Nogrod voters and the placement of Kitanna and Eomer's votes are a good spot to put them for a wolf....I don't know and time is running out...

[Nogrod]

Even though Roa will jump on this, I'll still say this once - as it might be, that enough of the last voters won't show around. So it's me or Oddwen now (or very unlikely someone else). Those last voters choose it.

EW would not pick loud people to begin with. There's much more higher probability for them being lynched in the first days. The EW wants numbers now. But later on s/he will surely adjust the picking up process. Be watchful of those who have been very trusted in the first days.

[Naria]

I will vote for


++Oddwen


Basically because she absolutely refused to vote yesterDay. It wasn't like there was a RL excuse, she just didn't feel like voting(must be nice to have that luxury)!

Then toDay she gets on and votes without reason, yet she claims that she does have one, but doesn't share it with us.....hmmmm. I don't like it when people do this kind of thing. I find it really annoying and unhelpful to us all.

[Nogrod]

Well. Oddwen is kind of a hard one. So few posts and so many amazing things.

#44 Basic in-character stuff
#97 Says

:"referring to our 'lorebooks' isn't going to help us much, only confuse us"

, Says will not vote on DAY1!

#262 Points out that the wolves don't know each other - and would like to the wizards done away with...
#264 Votes Lalaith (mentioning in character stuff + Spawns points on her)

If someone would be a quiet wolf trying to stay in the shade, this would be the way it would be looking alike? Who would go on voting with these grounds if there were bigger rows around (especially Roa is making a good work on this, I admit)

So basically: unhelpful with four posts with very little to say. And when she says something, it's against our common good (not looking at the lorebooks, wizards done away with before we have the gifteds,...) And voting with very little reassoning on DAY2, in this kind of a talkative village!

I would say, that she looks suspicious.

I'll try to have some time with Roa now - and she clearly tries to twist my words again as to more likely defend myself against her than to see her own posting. She's intelligent, I know she is. And as she has spent all the time attacking me, there probably is very little substance of her own in the posts. A very wise wolf-tactics that as well. And with the arguments so far, she could always start tomorrow by apologizing, that she was wrong...

[Valier]

Votes so far...

1.Nilp-->Valier (Valier 1)
2.Celuien--> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 1)
3.Oddwen-->Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 2)
4.Diamond18-->Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1)
5.Feanor-->Roa_Aoife (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1)
6.Sleepy-->Feanor (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1 Roa 1, Fea 1)
7.Thinlomien-->Nogrod (valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 2, Roa 1, Fea 1)
8.Roa-Aoife-->Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 3, Roa 1, Fea 1)
9.Mormegil-->Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 4, Roa 1, Fea 1)
10.Dancing Spawn-->Oddwen (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 4, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 1)
11.Kath-->Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 5, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 1)
12.Caranlondien-->Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 6, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 1)
13.Phantom-->Nilpaurion (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 6, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 1, Nilp 1)
14.Eomer-->Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 7, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 1, Nilp 1)
15.Kitanna-->Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 8, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 1, Nilp 1)
16.Cailin-->Oddwen (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 8, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 2, Nilp 1)
17.Lalaith-->Oddwen (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 8, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 3, Nilp 1)
18.Nogrod-->Oddwen (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 8, Roa 1, Fea 1, Oddwen 4, Nilp 1)

[Roa_Aoife]

Sorry people: use your own minds for a change?

Oh, like they did yesterDay when you got them to lynch Loki? Interesting that you expect them to follow foolish reasoning to lynch someone who wasn't even there to defend himself (which you yourself pointed out was an ungentlemanly tactic) but expect to ignore sound reasoning when you are the one in danger. You contradict yourself far too much Nogrod, something that isn't like you at all.

And I'm still waiting for your analysis of me.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

And I'm still waiting for your analysis of me.

You will have to wait for the unprobable event of myself getting out of this mess now to live for tomorrow - the mess you have propagated, I might add. But you will be hearing about it tomorrow, even without me. And it will be your time to come up with some defences then. I just love the view: Roa defending herself from some very same accusations she has poured over me

But if I'm alive tomorrow, you'll have your review, surely you will.

For your earlier point on my post: see Firefoot. She said it already.

And btw. you don't look good now with your maniac insistence of twisting everything you say about me. But I'm not sure about your wolvishness either. It would be bold, it really would (maybe that's the reason why you interpreted me as being mega-bold in your interpretation? cause you were clinging to the tactics yourself? ).

[Valier]

Still left to vote...

Glirdan
Valier
Lhuna
Alcarillo
Azaelia
Naria
Jenny
Eonwe
Gurthang


I really don't suspect any of the lynchee's very much.....I do think it's odd that some of these players that have not voted yet are not around at all...I will ponder this a bit more and then vote..

[Firefoot]

Valier, you're missing a couple of people... me, at least, and I think a couple others.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Phantom, that walk was lovely. *dodges mum's battledore*

Anyhow, to business. Upon reviewing all that has been said today, I was shocked to see myself leaning, suspicion-wise, toward my own (in-game) father. This looks ludicrous, I know, to appear suddenly and hop on the bandwaggon, especially since this is the second time it's happened. But each time, the people I found myself drawn to, suspicion-wise, were the same ones already set up as a lynch waggon. His seeming habit of voting motivated by a desire to save his own neck both yesterday and today has me a little on edge. He's also getting a little aggressive, which is always a major red flag.

The fact that Alcarillo is getting defensive makes me think he's innocent, at least at this point...I know from my lorebooks that my innocent ancestors also tended to get defensive when brought under suspicion, and suspect that it's purely genetic that I would do the same thing.

I'm going to vote

++Nogrod

Forgive me, father. I hope you can, if you're innocent.

I think I'll go find my...friend the Phantom. He makes me feel safe, even in these troubled times (I think he's innocent, too).

Edit: Crossposted with Naria, Gurthang and Nogrod. (Naria does make quite the point about Oddwen--Oddy is definitely on my list as suspicious for tomorrow, though not just due to Naria's comment)