Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

That means the evil wizard will be protecting the good wizard... right? So that we don't try to lynch him?

So we should be watching out for defenses...

Fea this makes less sense than most things you say. We cannot lynch the GW even if we tried so why would the EW desire to protect him/her? It may be prudent to have the GW step forward so we know who he/she is too. I have an idea but I will let the GW decide. He/She could add a voice of reason and Fea you are correct that the EW probably will wait but perhaps will take his chance today while we are down our seer. One thing is certain we need to get a wolf today otherwise we're in trouble tonight.

[Diamond18]

Roa: Either Gurthang is the Good Wizard or he thinks he knows what the Good Wizard will do? I thought it was kind of odd too, but...

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa: Either Gurthang is the Good Wizard or he thinks he knows what the Good Wizard will do? I thought it was kind of odd too, but...

Oh... well, Gurthang, is Diamond right?

I went more carefully through yesterday's posts, and I have to say I'm sorry I didn't vote Firefoot over Celuien. I still don't trust her, but I need to look at her a bit more closely to determine what I think.

I'm also going to take a closer look at Valier- she's acting kind of... weird....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by mormegil

We cannot lynch the GW even if we tried so why would the EW desire to protect him/her?

Because... uh... if we try to lynch the GW, we find out for absolute certain who the GW is and then we have a definative innocent that knows several other current innocents around which to rally?

My thought was that if the GW steps forward, we have only his word on it. If we attempt to kill the good wizard, we have evidence. Surely the EW would prefer that we be as uncertain as possible without actually trying to kill anyone. I think. But if the GW does step forward, my point is moot. Right? But what's to stop wolves or the EW from stepping forward also to confuse everyone...

I have a mind-numbing headache right now that's blocking all rational thought and until it goes away, I'm leaving my computer. I'll be back later to hopefully do this stupid evaluation thing and reread this and see if it makes sense.

[Lalaith]

Fea, surely if a fake GW steps forward, then the real GW will be able to step forward also, (vouched for presumably by the ungifted Seer) and then we will also know an evil team member.
I don't see why we, the innocents, should be trying to discover the identity of the GW against his/her will. If the GW thinks it wise to come forward, they will. Why bully him/her?

[Roa_Aoife]

Um, Fea, if the GW stepped forward, we could just lynch him to test his claim. And, actually, I'm not terribly opposed to that, except that we need to catch a wolf today, not a GW. The EW wouldn't really have any benefit to protecting the GW. Take some advil and possibly a nap.

Edit: I have to stop this whole cross-posting thing.

[Firefoot]

Valier, I think your certainty of Roa being the EW is a little bit absurd. Sure, it's a possibility, but unless you're the ungifted seer, you have no way of knowing that for sure. It's all just (sometimes educated) guesswork.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Er... care to explain? The EW knows who s/he is, some/all of the wolves probably know; the only ones who don't know are the ordinary villagers. I'm not saying that the GW should reveal themself, but I thought it might at least deserve consideration...

I thought that's what Gurthang was saying...

EDIT: Hilariously cross-posted with Gurthang...

[Valier]

I know, I know I cannot prove Roa is the EW (until she dies of course) and sadly no, I am not the unSeer. I just have a really strong feeling that's all! But I think our focus today should be on catching a wolf.

Edit: Crossposted with our GW Gurthang

[Roa_Aoife]

*claps* Excellent reveal, Gurthang. No really, that was good. Now, is there any info for us, or do you want to keep somethings hidden from you-know-who?

[Gurthang]

All in time. Right now I am trying to think of what to say, reading what you're saying, (and I keep getting phone calls! )

I'll tell you all that I can without telling too much. And soon.

[Firefoot]

No. This is the Day for Revelation.

Er... care to explain? The EW knows who s/he is, some/all of the wolves probably know; the only ones who don't know are the ordinary villagers. I'm not saying that the GW should reveal themself, but I thought it might at least deserve consideration...

Valier always puzzles me; her ancestors' behavior in the lorebooks are just as unclear as they are now. She comes across as wolvish by acting about ten feet off the ground, so she gets lynched, but is actually innocent. So... I don't know.

Alcarillo, I'm starting to find suspicious if only because so many other people do. However, I'm not ready to say that I think he's a wolf.

I would like to believe that Eomer is innocent, but here, I'm afraid, his record in the lorebooks stands against him. I'm not willing to take anything he says at face value.

If it helps at all, here's the voting:

Eomer – 3 (Zali 1, Lommy 6, Firefoot 15)
Zali – 4 (Nilp 2, Diamond 4, Spawn 5, Gurthang 11)
Alcarillo – 2 (Celuien 3, Morm 9)
Fea – 1 (Sleepy 7)
Roa – 2 (Fea 8, Valier 12)
Valier – 3 (Kath 10, Eomer 16, Jenny 17)
Celuien – 5 (Cailin 13, Kitanna 14, Roa 18, Caran 19, Lalaith 20)

Did not vote: Lhuna, Glirdan, Alcarillo, Oddwen, and Eonwe

If nothing else, it tells us that the village as a whole really has no idea what it's doing...

I'd like to take a look at some of the people who haven't been getting a lot of attention. I have no idea when I'm going to have time (time! where did it all go!); probably later tonight, although I'm going to try and start now. A heads-up: I would not be surprised if I have to vote pretty early on. Tomorrow afternoon (when I usually vote) is looking pretty iffy.

[Firefoot]

My thought was that if the GW steps forward, we have only his word on it. If we attempt to kill the good wizard, we have evidence. Surely the EW would prefer that we be as uncertain as possible without actually trying to kill anyone. I think. But if the GW does step forward, my point is moot. Right? But what's to stop wolves or the EW from stepping forward also to confuse everyone...

I see no reason whatsoever for the EW to step forward as the GW - that would just tell the GW who s/he was. A wolf, maybe. But I think that would definitely be contested by the real GW, and since the GW can't be lynched, well... you've got a dead wolf pretty much automatically.