Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[mormegil]

Diamond I believe this is a wise course of action and I endeavor to do the same but am daunted by the sheer volume of posts but to hear you say that Roa had a lot of post in a complaining fashion is a bit comical

[Diamond18]

What can I say. I find writing posts to be far easier than reading them.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd like to warn everyone that my participation for the rest of toDay will be much less than yesterDay. Today's been long and I'm going to bed shortly, after which I'll be brought forcibly back to reality by the harsh tones of the alarm clock that I loathe because it has the upper hand in our relationship... I need it more than it needs me. After that, shower and classes. I'll have some time between and after classes, but it's more that it's time to catch up and make some decisions than it being time to do what I want to do which is:

I have my current hitlist, but it's a Wizard hitlist, not a wolf one. What I'd like to do is take each villager that's been on both my list of potentially evil and certainly sketchy and on Gurthang's multiple lists of those garnering mass suspicion and compare their behavior each day.

For example if X player acted a certain way on days one and two and suddenly played a bit differently on three and shows up on both lists, I'll mark that as considerably dodgy.

But I don't have the flippin' time to do it right now. Falling asleep where I sit and I'm not done with homework... G'night.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Diamond I believe this is a wise course of action and I endeavor to do the same but am daunted by the sheer volume of posts but to hear you say that Roa had a lot of post in a complaining fashion is a bit comical

Indeed, I was just thinking the same about you Diamond. It's a daunting task to go over Roa's and Diamond's posts tonight. But luckily I was able to look into Oddwen's.

Oddwen=
I don't believe I'll be voting today, because I haven't found a reason to see anyone suspicious enough to warrant one, and because I won't be back to vote.

I find this odd and I wonder how I managed to miss it on Day One or even Day Two. I understand the not being around to vote because of RL issues, but it seems she didn't really put in much of an effort in trying to pick someone. Maybe not to vote for, but atleast give an opinion about.

Oddwen=
++LALAITH

Because she never really loved me! And for a few things that Spawn pointed out, and a few little hunches of my own.

Oddwen's Day Two vote, I think I commented on this before as being a weird move. She says one other thing that day and sort of pops up again with a random vote and little reasoning behind it. It felt like she was making up for her non-vote the first day and just sort of grabbed someone who had one vote already and a little bit of gaining suspicion. She never really gave any reaosn beyond that that day because she had to go.

Oddwen=
Forgive me, I was late for work and didn't have time to elaborate. Lalaith was the only one I had really 'noticed', and what Spawn posted in the post directly before my first post pretty much summed it up.

A reasonable reason for not giving much at the time of her vote, yet still she doesn't really expand on it. Giving an example of what Spawn had said would have been helpful indeed.

Oddwen=
Right now I'm looking at Celuien and Firefoot.

More suspicions with no backing behind them.

Oddwen=
Alc, I think, is acting weird for Alc
Fea is acting pretty normal for Fea

I really wish Oddwen would explain herself. I know RL conflicts get in the way, but I would hope she woould have a few minutes to spare to give a quck reason as to why she suspects who she does.

Oddwen=
Fea's maundering...you like the word, you're the maundering mage, therefore Fea = You, if you're evil she is too...that's what I was thinking.

I missed out on the whole maundering thing, so this just has me flat out confused.

Alright, Oddwen would have been a good choice because there were mild suspicions of her and I think on Day Two she managed a few votes (not going to check the voting record now). But after that she just sort of fell out. She posted rarely and no one really said anything about her. That makes her a good wolf choice, however I wonder if her silence has anything to do with becoming a wolf.

Alcarillo was a wolf and after Day Two he just sort of laid low. Oddwen had the same sort of posting record. She posted once or twice on the first two days and then sort of faded in and out never really contributing much. But I wonder if Roa would pick two villagers with the same type of habits.

I really need to go lie down, but I'll be on in a few hours to cast my vote. Hopefully I'll be able to look at some of Diamond and Roa's posts.

[Diamond18]

Kit, one of those Oddwen quotes is credited to me. I never voted for Lalaith.

But I may.... Before I tackle Roa's posts, here's a few fly by opinions of people based on what I would do were I the EW. It's arranged from most desirable to least:

morm -- I'd want him. Does anyone else come across as level-headed as morm? I think not. And though he always seems to garner some suspicion, he generally takes a while to lynch, and the lorebooks show that he's almost always been innocent. Which means that we have virtually no record of Evil Morm action.

Lalaith -- Maybe it's just me, but she always exudes pleasant and innocent vibes. Granted, my lorebooks are quite sketchy on Evil Lalaiths, but that's why I would want her.

Kitanna -- Kind of the same as morm, she makes very level headed posts, is not given to bouts of snippiness or oddity. It's all about the personality. I don't actually think she's a wolf, but I didn't think Valier was a wolf either, so wot do I know. I only know who I'd want if I were Roa.

Eomer -- 'cause he's so cute. Hmm... good thing LMP didn't pick me to be a Wizard, I operate randomly. Somehow I doubt Roa would pick based on this.

Kath -- I've seen Evil Kath in action and she's good. Also, if I was to pick morm, it would amuse me to put him and Kath together. However she was evil quite recently according to the lorebooks, which decreases her desirablity.

Oddwen -- Slippery. When people don't know what to make of a person, in a large village they tend to be avoided.

Azaelia -- that sig makes SUCH a good defense.

Sleepy -- He's one of the quiet people like Alcarillo and Naria, and in a large bustling villlage these people can survive for a long time. Naria had an unlucky night death largely thanks to the Watchers, and Alcarillo lasted what I would consider a long time.

Glirdan -- See Sleepy. The only reason I rank him lower than Sleepy in desirablness is because I've seen people jump his ship a little too often in the lorebooks. He's been innocent each time, but still.

Eonwe -- See Glirdan and Sleepy. Ranked lower because I'm not as familiar with his playing style and wouldn't be sure quite what to expect.

JennyHallu -- she's a good middle-posting player... however the both times she was evil (that my lorebooks have on record) she died early, so I actually would have shied away from her this game. She was evil too recently and a lot of people have fresh lorebook entries on Evil Jenny.

PS - Happy 21st to Jenny. Get snoggered and post here. It will be amusing.

Fea -- See Oddwen for pros, see lorebooks for cons. She's known as Seer-bait.

Spawn -- My impression has been that Seers salivate over her. I'm actually surprised she's gone this long with being dreamt of, though that might be explained by the sparodic Seer action.

Anyway, that's my thoughts. If I was the recently ashified EW, you would do well to be lynching Morm, Lal, Kitanna and Eomer forwith.

The rub is that Roa and I think rather differently. We're both loud, but as you can see on the points where we rub up against each other, we're loud in different ways. Roa advocates logic and serious analysis, I'm quite a bit more free flowing and out-there in my idea process. I'm not shy to come up with odd theories like the importance of Loki's secret friend and the possibility of the wolves knowing each other. I'm not sure what kinds of ideas Roa comes up with, actually, come to think of it, she spent a lot of time poking holes in others' ideas. Well, I suppose I should hold off on this till I do that long awaited scouring of her posts... but for now I think the people we'd be thinking most alike on are my top picks -- Morm, Kitanna, and Lal. The sensible types. We've already killed a couple silent types (Naria, Alc) and a couple of the loud out-there types (Nog and Val). So as I see it, we could go after people that fit into those two types, or we could explore the possibilty of her going for more variety and including some more modest types. (I'm a variety person myself.) Now, morm, Lal, and Kit aren't exactly quiet people, they're not as ostentatiously loud as Nog, Val, or myself. So I count them as "more modest types."

A quick question while it's on my mind -- Morm, you seem to be fluctuating on Kath. One moment she's clearly evil and then another you don't have the feeling she's guilty. So which is it? And why?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay, so the phone kept me up over an hour longer than I'd planned for... a few quick notes based on what I've just read and how I've responded to it:

Mormegil: an ancestor of mine was a wolf with an ancestor of his at the very same time she was a wolf with Kath's ancestor. My lorebooks go in depth into how they've operated when evil. Mormegil, when he is evil, is nigh uncatchable. It's fluke that caught his ancestor and a fluke that was capitalized upon by both my ancestor and Kath's. Ergo, my lorebooks say that:

Morm is bloody dangerous as a wolf and we shouldn't be too comfortable with him, and Kath, lovely and nice a lass as she is, is perfectly able to be a vicious and conniving betrayer of all that is good (up to and including team mates) and is sneaky enough to warrant a good watching on all sides.

[/Ancestrial Note on Lupinity]

A grandmother of mine, more recent than the grandmother of the previous paragraphs, was lupine with a grandmother of Kitanna. Her ancestor, when a wolf, played no different than when innocent. She is very adept at playing the aloof one from the group, allowing her co-workers to do what they will as she concentrates on her own, private and well-executed, agenda. Fluke caught her ancestor just as it did morm's.

[/Second Ancestrial Note on Lupinity]

Eomer: the first village in which his ancestor was allowed to live past the very beginning was the village where he then proceeded to ruthlessly slaughter all innocents.

[/Ancestrial Note on Life Expectancy of Aimès]

Perhaps that says nothing. Perhaps it says something. Upon reflection, had I been Wizard, mormegil would have very easily been my first choice of a wolf. Roa and I, however, apart from both having marked Loki as a good first night choice, don't always think the same way.

Truly now, good night.

[Diamond18]

The Evil Wizardliness That Was Roa, An Overview

Day One

#174 ~ #200

There’s not much to go on for Day 1 -- she wasn’t hardly around. Whether this was some kind of EW strategy or just the fact that even Evil Wizards get the RL blues, she only made two posts and both dealt with Loki. In her second post she quite astutely diagnosis the wolfishness of Nogrod’s actions. Of course. She already knows he’s a wolf. Roa used Noggie as her whipping boy with rather disturbing glee, which is very interesting to keep in mind. More on that Day 2.

Day Two

#258 ~ #274 ~ #277 ~ #287 ~ #296 ~ #297 ~ #324 ~ #336

I say whip it!
da na na na na na
Whip it good!
da na na na na na
I say whip it!
da na na na na na
Whip it good!

Well, that pretty much sums it up. She spent the entire day whipping Nogrod. Every post. End of story.

Day Three

#493 ~ #509 ~ #515 ~ #526 ~ #531 ~ #538 ~ #543 ~ #546

Interesting day. She starts out coming up against Fea and Valier a bit, then veers off into going after the fresh meat that is Celuien. Continues poo-poohing Valier’s posts, but doesn’t seriously go for the throat, in fact says she thinks Valier is probably just a misguided innocent.

Other people she addresses:

Defends Alcarillo.
Slightly neutral leaning towards positive light for Eomer.
Ditto Zali.
Unflattering image of the innocent Firefoot.
Defends the innocent Lommy.

She makes an interesting comment about the EW possibly killing Valier to make her look bad. For some reason, I get the feeling that Valier was innocent this day and Roa turned her that night. Either way, Roa is continuing to whip her wolves, with the exception of Alcarillo, who might not even be a wolf anyway.

Secondly, I don't think I went overboard in attacking Nogrod at all. He seemed far too guilty to not be a wolf, and I wanted to make sure the village got one. And I'm guilty because I picked up what the EW could end up doing? I alerted the village to a possible plan of the EW. If I was the actual EW, I would never alert you to something everyone had missed, especially if that was my actual plan.

Ah ha ha, ah ha ha ha. Damn, she’s convincing, ain’t she?

Day Four

#557 ~ #563 ~ #569 ~ #574 ~ #583 ~ #583 ~ #590 ~ #596 ~ #601 ~ #606 ~ #609 ~ #619 ~ #623 ~ #627 ~ #628 ~ #636 ~ #662 ~ #667 ~ #672 ~ #678 ~ #680 ~ #686 ~ #691 ~ #693 ~ #697 ~ #706 ~ #709

Interesting how she called on the Seer to come forward (here little seer, I won’t hurt you, I promise!) and played dumb about Gurthang’s meaning when he hinted at being the GW. She also voices regret that she voted for Celuien and not the equally innocent Firefoot. Early in the day she keeps after Firefoot but then is deterred by Nilp’s reveal. After the infamous kafuffle with Nilp (you got in the way of my scapegoating Firefoot, damn you!) she votes Valier but mostly turns on me. Whip it! Whip it good! Oh, and there’s a little Fea-whipping on the side.

You know, even though they went back and forth a little toward the end, I don’t think Roa actually wanted to kill Valier. So why did she vote for her? Was it a case of being between a rock and a hard place? I.E. -- is it possible that she was so upset with the list because her and three of her wolves were on it?

Day Five

#718 ~ #724 ~ #724 ~ #726 ~ #727 ~ #739 ~ #762 ~ #783 ~ #803 ~ #807 ~ #808 ~ #813 ~ #816 ~ #817 ~ #819 ~ #822 ~ #828 ~ #829 ~ #823

Well, out of the gate she is pressing my suspiciousness. Ask yourself if you believe she wants to kill another of her own after losing Valier and Naria in addition to the sacrifice of Nogrod and the un-cursing of Loki. Where does her living on the edge end? At any rate, it’s interesting to note how she reacted to my reactions. I had been slightly ticked by her analysis the previous day but lectured myself about taking things personally in WW, personality conflicts, etc. -- her continued obtuseness about my motivation for voting Loki irritated me further, though, especially the “Now now, voting for someone just because you don't like them is never a really good reason. In fact, it's one of the worst reasons givable.” comment. When all is said and done, Roa, you must tell me true whether or not you were purposefully pushing my buttons to get me to snap or just have a talent for it. Of course, sitting on my hands about points of conflict usually ends up in me snapping sooner or later, so it could just be coincidence. But I’m curious. The main reason for my “snide” comment at the end of the Fea-analysis was because I went to a lot of work on it, but didn’t come up with much to show for it, and so I just knew you would find it as another reason to up the village suspicion of me -- it fell under the light of me saying a lot but not coming to a definite conclusion. It was a rather depressing thought, besides being around 4 in the morning. By the way, I’m a Libra, and one of the hallmarks of a Libra (not that I really put much stock in the zodiac, but in my personal case it’s rather accurate) is the annoying habit of always having to balance all different sides of a situation... and so therefore rarely coming up with a definite yes/no this/that end to speculation.

But enough narcissism. Roa also addresses Zali, Eomer, Fea, Kitanna, and Lalaith. All of these she is somewhat neutral to positive about. Defends Alcarillowolf, calling the case against him “weak.” She votes Fea, probably only because I’m not on the sanctioned list.

Day Six

#843 ~ #845 ~ #847

Well, not much to say here. Just a lot of nonsense. Heh heh. Seriously, lovely evil challenge there. Bet Gurthang wishes he hadn’t let her get to it first.

In Summary

Well, if you judge Roa’s action by the way she whipped Nogord, then you should probably lynch me first and Fea second. Seriously. Lynch us! Lynch us good!

But here’s why I think you shouldn’t.

Roa did vote for Valier, but didn’t do much else to actively seal her demise. She defended Alcarillo. She ignored Naria. She also defended Loki, though he was no longer a wolf.

She went after Firefoot. And Celuien. Both innocent.

Unfortunately, the number of people she is neutral to positive to ignoring far outnumber the ones she targeted. This may make the lynching of Fea and Diamond look more attractive, but I’d call it lazy. Aye.*

For my part, I may vote Lalaith toDay.** But for now, to bed I go. I will go more in depth about my suspecting Lalaith tomorrow if I wake up in time. [free advertising] Oh, and I highly recommend Advíl and DCfC*** when doing analysis. It makes an otherwise dreary task downright pleasant. But then, Advíl and DCfC always makes everything better. [/free advertising]

* And, no we’re not wolfish teammates. Even if we were, we wouldn’t know it yet, would we?

** And then, if I live long enough, morm, Kitanna, Eomer, and so on. Right on down ze line.

*** DCfC is an, er, “group of bards,” not a drug. Just so you know.

[Lalaith]

Now, yesterDay my top suspects for EW were Fea, Diamond and Roa. Here are the reasons I suspected Roa.

I'm still worried about you, Roa. Your track record is the best of any of us, you've either attacked, or been attacked by, wolves in the most ostentatious fashion, so that no-one could possibly suspect you.... you see what I mean?

The reason I don't particularly suspect you as EW is that the wolf choices we know about so far aren't ones I'd expect you to make. I don't think you've played very much if at all with any of them.
They are rather Roa-ish choices which is one of the reasons I'm worried about her.

I do agree that there are various people here who probably would pick me for wolvery, and the fact that I am actually not a wolf told me a bit about the EW. I guessed, for example, fairly early on that it wasn't Cailin because I think she would have cursed me. Ditto, probably, Spawn. Our ancestors have encountered each other frequently and know each other well.
Roa's ancestors and mine have only met once, and fairly briefly. I'm not sure why she spent so much time analysing me yesterday, probably just wanted to look helpful.
I think our four wolves are two night Fours, the night Five and the night Six (last night.) I'm pretty sure that Roa would have made Jenny a wolf at some point so I think we could do worse than vote for her today.

I also think Roa feared her time was up, so I'm guessing last night's wolf will be Sauron to her Morgoth, a strong personality to carry on as leader. Given the fact that she made her old adversary Nogrod a wolf, would it not be rather fitting that she might entrust this task to Diamond?

I agree about the idea of Morm as wolf being a terrifying thought, I need to look into the lorebooks to see if Roa's family history would have given her an insight into his lupine capabilities.
More later, I'm a bit rushed now.

[littlemanpoet]

The Day is now done.

Voting is over.

First results will be forthcoming shortly.

The narrative, however, is probably going to come rather late. Sorry, RL.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, Roa being the EW wasn't that surprising. A funny detail, phantom voted for her on Day 1 saying that she's a Wizard... perhaps something that contributed to his early death.

As has been pointed out, Roa wanted to have Loki, Nogrod, Naria, Valier, Alc and Nilp for Wolves. I'm not sure whom of these were the original Wolves, but at least Nilp wasn't cursed until later, and my guess is that Valier was cursed on Night 3 because the sudden change in her behaviour. Therefore I looked into their posts from the previous Day to find out what made Roa pick them.

Valier said that her biggest suspects were Celuien, Caran, Kitanna, Naria and Alcarillo. Two proven innocents there, two villagers who at some point became Wolves and one unknown. That Day (Day 2) there were 2 Wolves + Nogrod.

Valier didn't think that Nogrod was a baddie and thought that even though Oddwen's vote was weird, it wasn't weird enough to lynch her. She thought that there were definitely two wolves voting for Nogrod on Day 2. She points out especially Eomer and Kitanna the others being Diamond, Lommy, Roa, morm, Kath and Caran.


On Day 3 Nilp analysed how the EW will make her picks saying that due to the lists about possible Cursees the EW will pick someone totally opposite, and later she has the chance to pull a bluff and choose from the list.

Nilp questioned Zali and voted for her. He said that there probably were one or more baddies in the Loki bandwagon. That would be Diamond, Caran, Fea, Nogrod, Lalaith, Valier, Kitanna or Zali. There indeed was at least two Wolves, but whether they were Wolves already on Day 1, I don't know.


I think there are two options why Valier and Nilp were cursed. Either Roa thought that they would make great Wolves or then they got something right and Roa couldn't afford to keep them on the Good side. Perhaps it was both.

All of the Wolves thus far have been those who are easily suspected for a reason or another or who were bound to cause some controversy (Loki, for example, being a newcomer). All the Wolves have been also the type that don't desire to take the lead of village matters (compare to morm's statement toDay: "I officially call the village back to order and we need to forward ourself with the business at hand." ).

Now there are three Wolves from yesterDay, plus one newly cursed. Anyone who has seemed innocent thus far might be a Wolf toDay. I wonder if the rest of the Wolves are those who fall into the same category as I mentioned above, or did Roa take someone completely different - morm, Fea or Eomer, perhaps (even though it says in the narration that Caran guarded Eomer, I'm not sure if it means that he's a proven innocent).

Our silent villagers are a bit of a problem, too. Right now I'm suspicious of Jenny and Glirdan and Diamond because I think they would fit with Roa's earlier picks. I'll take a look if I find any actual evidence for suspecting those three later when I have more time.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

This is difficult. I'm not going to be on again until after the deadline, if then. (Aaah, RL!) So I'm going to provide a brief analysis of the village, in the hopes that I may be somewhat helpful before my fairly likely demise as an accident or suicide toMorrow. (According to the new rules)

I agree with Lalaith, who said that Roa would pick a strong wolf because she was afraid her time was drawing to an end.

The short list of people who would be truly scary as wolves: Morm, Eomer, and Jenny. I'm going to cross Eomer off the list for now, as he was mentioned as the one protected last Night. I don't know if stuff like that mentioned in the narration has any weight, but I certainly wouldn't want him to be lynched, as I consider him the closest thing to a known innocent that we've got at this point.

Morm would be scary as a wolf because he's been so helpful all along, so he's someone the village has built some measure of trust in. He's smart, he's a leader, and he's definitely capable of persuasive posting.

Jenny would be scary as a wolf based upon her ancestors' behavior as documented in the Book of Lore. She's been unusually quiet for quite a while, which, in her case, may be a sign that she's not a wolf. On the other hand, she's always louder and more helpful than she's been this time around, even when it's only feigned helpfulness.

I'm also worried about Glirdan because he comes and goes so frequently. He doesn't seem to have the time to review the thread, and that worries me, too. His votes seem rushed and poorly-explained.

Oddwen seems to be doing a stellar job of slipping under the radar after her near-lynching earlier. I don't think she should be ignored--she has done some odd things.

Diamond To me, she still seems innocent and helpful.

Spawn hasn't been posting as frequently as her custom, but she's been helpful. For now, she's not giving off any bad vibes.

Sleepy is quieter than I am. And that's an accomplishment. I feel like I don't have any kind of feeling about him at all...And most people, by now, I have at least some sense of.

Fea is, as usual, really hard to figure out. She seems to be doing her best to help the village, and isn't giving off an overly evil vibe, but who knows...

Kath--Just due to her questioning me yesterDay, I'm inclined to think her innocent. I'm sure she's capable of being devious, but that's not the feeling I'm getting from her. She seemed to be genuinely looking for the truth. So in my book, she's innocent.

Kitanna is sneaky enough to be a wolf, but not, I believe, as active as her custom. I'm ok to let her slide--she seems generally innocent, but that's just a gut instinct, and mine are so often wrong.

Eonwe is another who I haven't been able to get a handle on. He's quiet (which is nothing against him--I am, too). So he's coming up as pretty much nothing on the radar.

I've given you all something to consider, hopefully.

I'm going to vote

++Morm

For the simple reason that he would be sneaky, smart, seemingly helpful, and incredibly dangerous as a wolf. He's a great player, and take that as a compliment, if you like. He may or may not be guilty, but I have very little to go on.

The inevitable response to this may be: Well, then! You shouldn't have voted at all!

But I honestly think that I could do worse harm to the village by not voting, than by voting.

[JennyHallu]

Agh...my head hurts...

And Pina coladas are overrated.

Anyway: Down to the business at hand. I've been drawing some questions this morning, and my response to that is "ABOUT TIME!!" This is the first time I've ever been innocent and not immediately assumed guilty. Good sign, I must be learning.

I am NOT a wolf. Thank goodness! I don't want to be a wolf! My ancestors show so much wolvery in their midst you'd almost think lycanthropy genetic, and I hang gladly onto my innocence this game. I have been rather unusually quiet this game, but it's been RL issues and it was my 21st...

Oh, and Diamond, if you want to see me post snoggered wait until Friday. A lot more likely to get snoggered when I don't have to go to work in the morning.

Off to read the thread and draw my own conclusions.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I see I missed Lalaith's post earlier. We seem to be thinking along the same lines.

On second thought, I'm not sure if Glirdan would have been such a good pick for Roa after all. He has some problems to attend to the discussions and I doubt the EW would want to lose a Wolf because of being absent. Glirdan's posts toDay have consisted mostly of lamenting and wondering ("My mother was the evil one!! Holy cow!!"). He promises to help in the Wolf hunting as much as he can, but he'll be gone the next Day (so he's a goner...). Glirdan agrees with Fea who said that Roa might very well have picked Di as one of her Wolves.

If Glirdan is going to be dead after tomorrow anyway, we don't probably have to worry about him now although his posts might be considered somewhat wolvish because he says so little about his own thoughts. He really has flown at least under my radar, but a Wolf or not, I'd like to hear more from him. Same goes for Eonwe and Sleepy.

[JennyHallu]

Diamond of the Battledore: Diamond's been loud and head-of-the-village since day 1, and I'm really not sure what I think of her. Roa is definitely capable of picking someone so obvious she can slip over the radar, so to speak...Maybe.

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant: I think she's clever and intelligent, and a powerful asset to whatever side she's on. That said, Roa would love to have her as a wolf. Spawn, however, does play differently when wolvish or innocent, so I'll be keeping my eyes open for changes in her style.

Kath the minstrel: Quietish and doesn't seem to contribute much original information. Definitely a maybe. I think she's probably innocent, but it worries me that she has been so under the radar.

Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath: Would Roa choose him as a wolf? Sure...I don't have anything in my lorebooks on Glirdan's wolvish ancestors, but Roa is familiar and comfortable with him. Would she pick him as a wolf, knowing he wasn't around? That is a much bigger question. Not worried about him for now.

Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer: Sleepy frustrates me. He posts so little and usually it's an "I'm sorry I haven't been here, in-character rambling, vote". He has contributed almost nothing to the village, and I have seen nothing of his usual grandiose plotting. This worries me. He's definitely on my suspect list.

Kitanna the beloved of Eomer: I think she's a wolf, for the same reasons I did yesterDay. I am sorry I did not have more time to elaborate when I voted, but look at my thoughts on the Gurthang-list members to see my reasoning. Gurthang also commented on the abrupt change in her playing style.

Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin who steals chickens: No idea. She's insane, there's no telling whether she's a wolf. My lorebooks say she always plays like this, with few posts and little reasoning.

mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor: I agree with Zali that my dear father would make a formidable enemy, but that is no reason to vote for him. Our mayor has seemed from day 1 to have only our best interests at heart. I think him innocent right now.

Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration: Honestly, I think she's innocent. She's been amazingly clear for all the drugs she claims to be on, but just the effort she's been putting into substantive clear analyses screams innocent to me. I thought a couple days ago she might be the EW, but I've changed my mind, especially after her complex hunt-the-wizard analyses yesterday.

Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom: I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she spends yesterday working to convince us she's just been playing carelessly, and jumps right back into carelessness today. Definitely a worry.

Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt: I know I'm innocent, but I would appreciate an analysis of me done by someone else. A) because I have drawn some suspicion, if only of the gut-feeling variety, and B) because I think the wolves are likely to come from players Roa was familiar with, and most of the ones she has picked are WWJ graduates, and I definitely fall in that category. Honestly, I think most of the reason I was not picked is that Roa and I tend to bicker.

Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen: I don't know what I think of Lalaith. She seems careful. She posts a lot, but I don't think I've yet seen a very long post from her (could be wrong). Definitely a "keep-my-eye-on".

Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen: Probably innocent. He frustrates me for the same reason Sleepy does, but to a lesser extent, because this is normal for him.

Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna: I think he's innocent. I thought the case brought against him two days ago to be mostly bogus, and Eomer is too valuable to get rid of at this juncture.


There. Now I'd better work a bit, since that is what they pay me for.

[JennyHallu]

Oddwen...you said you were looking at them, yes, but you never came back to say what you'd decided. And there may have been several wolves voting for you, but if they don't know eachother (and I doubt they will until tonight) that means nothing except you were generally suspicious enough it would be more suspicious not to vote for you.

And you have no way of knowing if they were wolves when they voted for you.

I am interested in hearing a real defense from you.

[Lalaith]

The quiet ones bug me too, but voting for one of them toDay feels too much like shooting in the dark. Besides, if they don't post toDay they're out anyway, and their roles revealed. So we can worry about the ones that remain, tomorrow Day. (Oh reading through Roa's posts - she was well aware of the fact that villagers were allowed to not vote/disappear until the death of the wizards, but had to be around after that. I wonder how much that influenced her choices)
Morm, I may be scared of you, but I'm not going to vote for you toDay. You're too useful if you're innocent - let's see what toMorrow will bring.

I wonder if Roa did tell the wolves about each other, last night...

[Kath]

Yup. To answer whoever it was that asked about it, I do agree with morm (for once ). Our ancestors have crossed each other on numerous occasions, more often than not on the same side, yet still we find ourselves inexplicably against each other in every game. However, we try these days not to let history mar our judgement of each other. When morm says 'of course Kath must be evil' it's a joke. When he starts to muse and think up plans to get me lynched, then it's real.

Now, onto other business. Who is left?
Diamond
spawn
Kath
Glirdan
Sleepy
Kitanna
Oddwen
morm
Fea
Zali
Jenny
Lalaith
Eonwe
Eomer

Now, Glirdan and Zali have both admitted that they will not be able to get on here tomorrow and so will commit suicide at the end of the next Day. They may still be wolves with unavoidable circumstances but there is little point in trying to lynch them since they will die anyway. I'm not sure on Sleepy though, is he in that same boat?

As of this particular moment Diamond, Fea, spawn and morm seem innocent to me. Diamond I think is just too much like Roa in some ways, and while this might be beneficial to the EW (having someone who thinks like her carry on after her death) I don't think she would have kicked up such a fuss and made sure everyone was looking at Diamond if this were the case. Yes it could be the perfect bluff but I'm not so inclined to believe that.

Fea has either coasted by on pure luck (not having been dreamt of, not getting lynched) or she is innocent, and while the luck does seem to have been on the evil side so far this game, I'm not sure it extends that far.

morm, well, you all know the history now, so my thinking him innocent probably means he's the biggest, baddest wolf in town. Still, I just can't see anything wolvish. His desire to take control is definitely an innocent trait (for him).

spawn seems as analytical and decisive as ever. Basically I think she acting normally and therefore is innocent.

Now there was a comment by Lalaith that caught my eye:

I noticed one thing in Roa's posts yesterday, she said she thought that all original wolves were dead. Which makes me suspect all the more that Alcarillo was an original wolf. . . If my theory is correct, the early wolves are accounted for.

I disagree. If Roa said that the opposite is more than likely to be true. Which puts Lalaith on my suspicion list.

Which leaves me with:
Sleepy - no idea on him. He's barely been around and hasn't posted with a huge amount of substance when he has been.

Kitanna - I would lean toward her being more guilty than innocent. She's relatively quiet but helpful, and she tends to float along under the radar. A good choice for a wolf I think, especially since we haven't seen this type of middling candidate from Roa's choices yet.

Oddwen - not a great deal of help. In fact pretty much none. I think she could well be a wolf trying out the 'quiet' tactic.

Jenny - I don't have much information on her in my lorebooks, and with her sporadic attendance the last few Days I'm really not sure what to make of her.

Eonwe - see Jenny and Sleepy.

Eomer - I don't trust the guy, but that's almost as much of a given as me not trusting morm. Aside from that gut feeling which I can't seem to shake I have no evidence that he even could be guilty.

That's all folks!