Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[The Saucepan Man]

First of all, to those who think that it is only non-students who have sufficient time to devote to the intricacies of being a Wizard, you have a shock awaiting you when you graduate ...

As has been shown, I did not volunteer to be a Wizard and never had any intention of doing so. It was bad enough simply trying to keep up on Day 1 and, as it was a weekend, I never really got into my stride.

Thus, I was incredibly disappointed to be killed on Night 2. Grrr! I shall never forgive Roa and her Wolves for that. I suspect that Nogrod nominated me in revenge for the last game ...

It was, perhaps, just as well though as it did mean that I had more time to devote to work and family. The most frustrating thing was that I had only just had the chance to review in more detail what had happened on Day 1, apply my mind to it and work up a bleedin' great post when I found out that I was dead. I was not expecting that as I was rather banking on the fact that the evil team might be interested in my services later in the game.

To engage in a little trumpet blowing, I had overnight worked out that Nogrod was most probably a Wolf and that the Evil Wizard was likely to be either Diamond, Fea or Roa. I suspected that the phantom might be the Good Wizard and that his advice to the GW was a way of masking it. So I got it into my head that the two opposing Wizards were TP and Fea. But Roa was most definately on my list.

As for the Loki thing, I was working on the assumption that a player chosen by both Wizards would not be told of this. That's why I misutrusted his claim. It was foolish to lynch him though, as he was either telling the truth or, if he was not, behaving too recklessly for a Wolf.

And, in the same vein, I would add to the list of mistakes by the good side. Lynching both Sleepy and Oddwen (as well as Loki) for their "suspicious" behaviour was a classic error - committed not once, not twice, but three times! Wolves rarely act that suspiciously. I have learned from experience that it's the ones who act least suspiciously that you should always fear.

Great game, though, everyone. I was disappointed to be killed so early on, but read on with interest. And greatly flattered by all the reasoning as to why I had been killed.

Kudos to lmp and his able assistants, Boro and Kuru, for an wonderfully modded game. And congratulations, I suppose, to Roa and her pack, who played an excellent game. I claim my part in the victory, by virtue of my offspring, Naria and Kitanna (not to mention my father- and sister-in law).

You are right, Celuien. Where on Arda did we go wrong with them?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Thus, I was incredibly disappointed to be killed on Night 2. Grrr! I shall never forgive Roa and her Wolves for that. I suspect that Nogrod nominated me in revenge for the last game ...

Sorry to disappoint you, but this one you got wrong. I had a couple of nominees to kill and none of them was you. I thought you would be a good sport later in the game and wouldn't like to see you go so early. I hate wolves who kill the interesting players to begin with. That's cowardish gaming.

But the EW decides when the wolves can't agree on it...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I claim my part in the victory, by virtue of my offspring, Naria and Kitanna (not to mention my father- and sister-in law).

You are right, Celuien. Where on Arda did we go wrong with them?

It's all Eomer's fault, he's such a bad influence.

[Oddwen]

And I knew as soon as I reviewed the thread the Night I died, that it was you three.

Great game all, kudos to LmP for modding it and to the evil team for the win. I apologize for my horrible game, and rest assured all future mods, I won't be playing in any more unless I somehow manage to develop into a good strategic player.

*mutters*Knew I should have gone after Kitanna the day before, knew it knew it*/mutters*

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

And, in the same vein, I would add to the list of mistakes by the good side. Lynching both Sleepy and Oddwen (as well as Loki) for their "suspicious" behaviour was a classic error - committed not once, not twice, but three times! Wolves rarely act that suspiciously. I have learned from experience that it's the ones who act least suspiciously that you should always fear.

While I reserve the right to respectfully disagree about Loki () I was extremely frustrated by the deaths of Sleepy and Oddwen. Sleepy, I did not vote for because I didn't honestly find him wolvish, but I was frustrated enough with him not really explaining his votes or participating in any discussion that I went ahead and voted Lalaith instead of votoing Jenny (which I believe would have got her lynched instead, as I recall the count was Sleepy 3 and Jenny 2 and the clinching vote against Sleepy was cast after mine -- ie I could have made a 3-3 tie in which Jenny was killed). But that was the problem with sticking too closely to my list of likely wolves... I believe it was Morm, Lalaith, Kitanna, and Eomer at the top and when Morm died I was bolstered by this and decided to get Lalaith or die trying. *sigh* The Oddwen vote I am still kicking myself for (Sorry Oddwen!) because I realized even as I committed the act that it was the same bad reasoning that had got an innocent Sleepy killed. But as no one had voted for Lalaith that day, and Lalaith had voted Eomer, I went with my anti-Lalaith stance and voted to save Eomer. That day was a general disaster for me though -- you might (or might not) have noticed that I only posted twice that day, because I was feeling quite frustrated by the whole thing.

It's all Eomer's fault, he's such a bad influence.

Say, does this count as a Lovers victory?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

A tragic lovers' victory too, as at least one of us is now dead. Where is this story going, LMP?

I was quite pleased with my excellent record of voting only for Werewolves when I was innocent, and then only for innocents when cursed. It's amazing isn't it? This village spilled more Werewolf blood than any other — 5 of the beasts in all — yet still lost to another 3 at the end. This town had it bad...

[Oddwen]

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[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Man, did LMP miss out on some serious commercial gain.

[JennyHallu]

But what were the hearts for?

[Gurthang]

Okay, I see I need to do a little clearing up...


ATTENTION: MONDO-SUPER-MEGA-UBER IMPORTANT (er...) THING IN THIS POST. YOU DO NOT WANT TO MISS IT!


Okay, first off, LMP, all those little Good Team Fatal errors, those were not my fault. (And don't get me started on my Quirks in the Rules Fatal to the Good Team list. )I mean, that first Night the Seer didn't dream... well, umh... okay, maybe that one was me. But the second time, oh, that one... okay, so maybe that was me again.

Now, as far as the naming innocents, it was Nilp who came out. But he had no point not to. The Evil team obviously knew that he was the unSeer already, so he had no one worth hiding from. I did cringe when he named Firefoot as his innocent.

And that whole family thing... well, I still hold to the fact that my family-gifteds out survived my non-family-gifteds by a ratio of:... oh, that'd be INFINITY, wouldn't it. Something like 9 Days/0 Days. Ironic somehow. True, it was obvious at the end, but they still out survived the others by far.

Okay, sorry, so that wasn't all that important.


HERE'S THE IMPORTANT PART!


I've heard a lot of people comment on the brilliant strategy that Roa used when she turned Valier into a wolf. All credit to her, but that was actually her undoing.

The Day that Valier was lynched, the whole time I was thinking, if Valier is a wolf, then Roa is very likely the Evil Wizard. This was partially because she changed her stance over that Night. The Day Valier came out and said Roa was the Evil Wizard, Roa's response was: "She's just a misguided innocent." The next Day she was all for lynching her.

So Valier is lynched Day 5. At that moment I was so sure that Roa was the Evil Wizard. But here's what killed it, and in my mind was the single biggest rule related factor in our loss(sorry LMP, had to get just one): the Good Team could not PM at Night!

This meant I could not dream of her Night 6. So I took her off the list:

1. So we would not waste a lynch. (And look, we got a wolf!)
2. To throw her off.

Then I waited all Day 6, and all through Night 7 before I got my dream result. Had I been allowed to PM my Seer, I would have known for sure Night 6, and she would have been dead a Day earlier.

Oh, and I want to know this too LMP, what was up with Night 4? Good Team doing too Good?