Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

LMP is too a lot more nonsense than usually. I'm gradually getting more worried of him.

Care to explain what you mean? This is awfully vague, which is in its turn rather suspicious, although, Lommy, I suppose you tend to be vague, so maybe this is just you theorizing out loud. Either way, I'd appreciate it if you would do me the courtesy of explaining what "nonsense" you're talking about? Thanks.

Originally Posted by SPM

I cannot resist rabbiting on at length whenever I come to the village square. I generally find so much to talk about and comment on that I am almost compelled to pipe up. And morm and Elempi are usually the same. I don’t buy this werewolf fatigue thing and I am beginning to wonder if it is a tactic. Then again, they would be foolish Wolves indeed if they were both to use the same excuse for their quietitude.

This is precisely the kind of bold in-your-face wolvish statement I've been waiting for from you, SPM. The lorebooks show that such a disregard for your fellow innocent villagers' state of mind was precisely the key that showed your ancestor's wolvishness. Nobody at that time saw it for what it was until too late. I am making sure nobody misses it this time. Thank you for slipping up in this fashion. I challenge you to vindicate yourself. But you are slippery, sir. Perhaps the only sufficient vindication may be your lynching or the seer declaring you innocent, since your very efforts to clear yourself will most likely be so full of loyerly misdirection and logic chopping that you persuade people against their better judgment that you are not the werewolf I strongly suspect you to be.

Originally Posted by SPM

You think so? I thought that it was a rather reasonable response. It is understandable for someone to expect some reasoning when a vote is cast for them.

Yes, I thought so. I gave reasons. Since you, my dear sir, are exploding with vim and vigor, feel free to do the research.

Originally Posted by tom

[Morm] took the trouble to come in and catch up reading, but then listed 3 votes without saying why.

You obviously don't know how Morm plays this game. This is his typical means of checking out the three named. He was looking for reactions. It doesn't mean he's guilty. Nor innocent. I suppose this looks like me defending Morm. Heck, I like the guy. He did want to give me a hug, after all. (here's bear-hug for ya morm) But facts are facts, and it's a shame for someone to waste a lynch vote on not knowing what's going on.

Originally Posted by Feanor

I'm very intentionally playing the role of a quiet villager. Or at least trying to do so. Let me do it in peace and I might be able to help you.

This seems for real to me.

SPM's aggressive response to the same quote I just posted, is noted. An aggressive SPM is a typical SPM. An aggressive, wolvish SPM is the kind who will pick a few likely villagers who he is rather sure he can turn into scapegoats, and ride them for all they're worth, making sure not to allow them to get lynched and proven innocent until it's well along in the game and they have served their purpose. So watch whom he attacks and rides mercilessly. And I would suggest that if you are really unwise enough to keep him around, then please do lynch his victims and once you see that they are innocent, you'll have a stronger indication that SPM is a werewolf.

That said:

-- DANCING SPAWN OF UNGOLIANT

++ THE SAUCEPAN MAN

I'll post this up in hopes that it might be helpful to others before it's too late.

[Mithalwen]

Ooh well that makes sense actually ... he did me up like a kipper in another incarnation ...and maybe that is what is happening now.......

[Caranlondien]

Stopping back in... and not much has changed. Where are you people?

lmp, you make some excellent points about SpM. My introduction to Werewolf was by reading a game my brother was in, in which SpM fooled everyone. Thinking about it, I suppose that is why I suspected him so much yesterDay. I read that entire game knowing he was a wolf (because Aiwendil informed me), and so I suppose to me his "clueless villager" persona looks inherently wolvish.

EDIT: cross-posted with Celuien and Mithalwen

[Caranlondien]

Right now my vote for Fea is a essentially a throw-away vote, anyway. I really didn't want to vote for morm when he's been away for so long, but SpM I just don't trust. LMP's points have only cemented my suspicions

--Feanor
++The Saucepan Man

LMP => Caran (Caran-1)
morm => Caran (Caran-2)
LMP ≠> Caran => Spawn (Caran-1, Spawn-1)
Lhuna => Durelin (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1)
Lommy => morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, morm-1)
SPM => Feanor (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1)
Tom => morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-2)
Caran => Feanor (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-2)
tgwbs => Morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
Fea => Caran (Caran-2, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
SpM ≠> Feanor => Caran (Caran-3, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
Spawn => Mith (Caran-3, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1)
Cailín => Caran (Caran-4, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1)
Mithalwen => Caran (Caran-5, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1)
lmp ≠> Spawn => SpM (Caran-5, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1, SpM-1)
Celuien => Caran (Caran-6, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1, SpM-1)
Mithalwen ≠> Caran => SpM (Caran-5, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1, SpM-2)
Durelin => SpM (Caran-5, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1, SpM-3)
Caran ≠> Feanor => SpM (Caran-5, Durelin-1, morm-3, Mith-1, SpM-4)

Left to vote: Nilp, Nogrod, Fin

[Celuien]

An interesting case against SPM, Elempi. An ancestor of mine was lynched at the hands of a wolvish ancestor of his following the aggressive strategy you suggest. I only hope I don't fall victim to it again. But that said, I'm uncomfortable voting for him today. Hopefully, he'll remain too prominent and influential to go without a Seer dream. He may already have been dreamt about.

I would also like to point out that my lorebook shows that the former Wolfman Sauce turned in his comrades in crime without hesitation to become the lone survivor of his team. And so even if he is a wolf, that doesn't mean that all of his suspects would be innocent. He might even play a major role in their demise as a wolf to gain trust.

I'm not ignoring the possibiliy of his guilt, though he seems less likely than some others here.

And so:

++CARANLONDIEN

My top suspect for the day.

I'm returning to my cottage from the ketchup fields now. I'll try to make it back here before the deadline in case developments require a response from me, but it's a long trip, filled with slow moving sheep that block the path, so I may not be back before events close toDAY.

[Mithalwen]

OK will take a flyer since if you are right I seem to be a designated potential victim and it will mix things up a bit.


This strategy makes you so vulnerable if it backfires that I will chance trusting you:

--Caranlondien

++ Saucepan Man

Well he did say he wanted to be suspected

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

This strategy makes you so vulnerable if it backfires that I will chance trusting you

I hope for both our sakes your trust is not in vain.

[the guy who be short]

This is interesting. The three leaders are now morm, SpM and Caran.I'd be glad to kill off SpM just because he's infathomable. But I don't know how I feel towards Caran. She admits she is easily manipulated - but would the wolves risk killing Form if she were amongst them? I doubt it.

So I shall wait and see. If I have time, I will analyse Caran as I originally meant to. If not, my vote will stay with morm or change to SpM.

[Findëasëa]

Wow, two bandwagons in a row. I feel that the wolves are behind the creation of at least one of them. I am sticking with my belief that Caran is innocent. I will vote for either SPM or Mith in a bit, I just got back and I want to review a bit more first.

[The Saucepan Man]

All because I didn't buy your werewolf weariness, eh, Elempi? Touchy, touchy!

Still, thanks for garnering me a few votes. Just as long as they don't stack up much more.

Durelin, if I seem to lack direction, it is because I am probing and prodding. I am not entirely convinced that Fea is as pure as she makes out. But I didn't like the way that Caran jumped on my vote for her. That, added to the other things about Caran that have been aired today, makes her look very Wolfish in my eyes.

I am rather alarmed over Mith's uncharacteristic flip-floppiness, but that is a matter that I shall have to look into tomorrow if I am still here.

I am leaving now and won't be back before the deadline, so if any Wolves who have not yet voted for me want to take the opportunity to try to get me lynched, please feel free to do so. It won't do you any favours though.

Edit: Cross-posted with Caran, among others. What a surprise! She has changed her vote yet again. How did I guess she might do that ...?

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by SpM

I am not entirely convinced that Fea is as pure as she makes out. But I didn't like the way that Caran jumped on my vote for her.

Honestly, I wrote that analysis of Fea before you voted for her. I admit I tend to be rather swayed by people's arguments, but my suspicion of Fea was my own.

[Findëasëa]

A lot of people seem to be suspicious to me today, but I cant seem to find a particular person who sticks out the most to me. Unfortunately, I have to place my vote now. I mentioned earlier that the people who are most suspicious to me at this point are those who have offered more commentary than theorizing. For this reason I feel quite suspicious of a few people, of these I will vote for Mith, after looking over her actions for the past two days she seems highly suspicious. She does say that she is very busy in the RL, which may explain some of her behavior that I find suspicious. I was not able to finish my analysis of her, but what I have found seems incriminating enough to warrant a vote in my opinion. Most of her comments on the first day were either very abstract or carefully worded so as to not incriminate. Her recent comment, which assures the village that she could not possibly be a wolf, as she would have killed SPM seemed like a very bizarre defense. This behavior seems very wolf like to me.
++Mith

[Nogrod]

Twenty minutes, or so...

Caran may be jumping a bit, and as she says:

I admit I tend to be rather swayed by people's arguments

,but she feels like innocent. My "theory" against her was based on the overall wolf-jumpiness anyhow, as I said earlier.

Spm I just couldn't vote yet. He was on the good cause at least on Day1 so strongly, that dfor a wolf-bluff that would have been quite heavy even for him... (trying to twist the Changeling to side with the village = village win - well not surely, but highly enhanced chances)

I feel sympathy for Morm if this all is RL-bussiness, but then again, he hasn't even tried to be helpful on his short posts (and still he reads the thread!). He's the one I could go now...

[Nogrod]

Oh my!

Just look through ten essays and what has happened meanwhile...

Thanks Cailín for your information about Form. If he indeed is a renowned player, I would think that in a bunch of three werecreatures there would be at least one who knows that. So they wouldn't have thought him as the clumsy seer (even how jumpy Caran might have been at Night). So surely that doesn't clear Caran totally as there still is the chance of a set-up. But my personal suspicions over her seem to fall somewhat, as the best I had on her was just the wolves general jumpiness.

Mith gave me another wake up call. Why hasn't anyone thought of that before? If the last night's killer was the changeling indeed? That would make killing of him more understandable. A loner might not know his stature (I didn't, and I don't believe I'm the only one here) and could have taken his first Day peevishness as a sign of an unsufficient and unhelpful villager. If this is so, it's good news indeed. For that would mean that the Changeling is on our side, ducking Kath's ordeals nicely as s/he managed to pick a wolf on the first Night s/he made a pick (Kath could not enforce any vote from her/him yet - it would have been different, if s/he had f.ex. picked a Seer earlier, then s/he would probably had to go for her/him)!

EDIT: X-posted from the Ancient Rome onwards...