Reverse Gripes

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I can understand your argument alatar, but I think a lot of people (or 2 that I know of ) see this and think that Boromir went to the Council and the reason he joined the Fellowship was because he needed to bring the ring back to pops.

I agree. Boromir does need to bring the Ring back to Gondor; first, to please Lord Tomato-Eater, then, as Boromir falls into despair, for his own and the world's salvation.

He may have been reluctant, struggling within himself (which I think can be supported from the books), but to me and my niece, we felt like it showed Boromir simply joined the Fellowship so he could get his chance at taking the Ring from Frodo. Not because he wanted to do an honorable deed and help Frodo along the way, but he was just waiting for a chance to try and take the Ring from Frodo.

Yes, he was sent to get the Ring, or prevent it from falling into the hands of the pointy-eared or long-bearded, but his words to Frodo, at the Council, show that at that moment he saw it as his duty to support the quest. "If this is indeed the will of the Council, then Gondor will see it done." Sure, later he goes back to trying to get hold of the Ring, but for a moment there, he was the Boromir who we see in TTT with Faramir.

And really, he had the most knowledge of the enemy, and so was the 'realist' of the group. Taking the Ring to Mordor was folly, and you can't fault Boromir for hoping for a better plan.

Now all through FOTR I did not see this, I am more sympathetic to Jackson's Boromir than Tolkien's and I think Jackson does a very good job of staying close to Boromir's character. But just that one part in TTT EE it goes back and makes Boromir show, prior motivation before even getting to the Council, that he wanted to bring the Ring back to his father.

"Wanted" isn't the word that I would use. He was ordered to go and fetch the Ring for Daddy and his Lord. And if he didn't, his entire world, the men that he fought with, drank with, his kin and seemingly the only people who at that time still fought the Dark Lord would fail.

Try gainsaying that if you're the Steward's son.

It was imperative that the Ring get to Gondor, as his father thinks that in the right hands it would be a weapon of great power against the enemy, which, in truth, it would. No evidence exists, apart from words of wizards and white witches to say otherwise. Isildur did not become evil, as far as we know, and lost the Ring through misfortune. Gollum, not a man, was evil before he took the Ring. My point is that how does Boromir know that the Council is correct when it states that a human claiming the Ring would become like the Dark Lord, or would turn evil? Shortly after leaving Rivendell, Gandalf (recently a jailbird) wants to travel through the Fords of Isen (did he leave something at Orthanc?), then blunders over Caradhras, then falls in Moria, and he was the purported expert concerning the Ring. Saruman, ringless and of Gandalf's type, turns to evil. Elrond is passive. What's a warrior supposed to think?

I love the bit of TTT EE where it shows the brotherly relationship between Boromir and Faramir, I think that is also great for Jackson to show that. It's just that one scene where Denethor sends Boromir out to bring him the Ring that gets me irked.

Can't think of, off hand, any scene or scenes that irked me....

[ArathorofBarahir]

I think that what PJ did the best, were the battle scenes. Yes, they were great in the books, but to actually see them on screen was absolutely spine tingling! AMAZING! I'm going to agree with all of you on Boromir, I think that the way that Sean Bean portrayed him was absolutely amazing and made him seem like such an honorable and courageous man, even though he had his faults. I also think that PJ did a great job of showing the interaction between Boromir and Faramir in the TTT EE.

[Glirdan]

Hmmm... I find that in RotK, we see a lot more of the maturity difference between Merry and Pippin. It's true that they have both grown (I'm not talking physically, but they did grow that way to). However, in the movie, it is much more apparent that Merry is the most mature of the two. My favorite scene to show this is when Gandalf and Pippin are about to depart for Gondor outside the stables. This scene really shows that difference where as in the books, it still shows them at the same maturity level.

I also enjoyed how PJ added the little scenes with Arwen and Eowyn in TTT and in RotK. It gives us more insight on why Elrond didn't want Arwen to marry Aragorn.

And perhaps one of my favorite parts was at the end of RotK when Frodo and Bilbo are ridding in the carriage and Bilbo asks "Whatever happened to my Ring". I don't know why but this scene really captured me and made me think "So, it's really over." I didn't get that feeling in the book so I'm really quite pleased with that particular scene.