Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Caranlondien · 06-04-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Durelin

I'm wondering why everyone is assuming that the wolves just somehow knew who Caran Hunted last night

I, at least, never said I thought they knew who I hunted last Night. What I think is that they thought they knew who I hunted. I'd still like to hear thoughts on this, but the more important item on our agenda toDay is to lynch a wolf...

Lhuna - Need to hear more from her... curse that Timezone-itis!
Cailín - Since she won't be here toDay, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now.
Celuien - I still think she's innocent.
TGWBS - Looking a bit wolvish...
Lommy - Need to take another look at her... not sure.
Nogrod - Still looks normal to me.
lmp - Another one we need to take another look at. Fin analyzed him yesterDay, and said she still thought him suspicious, but less so than she had before she analyzed him...
Tom - Doesn't look very wolvish to me, but it's hard to tell with a newbie.
Mith - Not looking too wolvish.
morm - Can't read him at all. Really.
Durelin - Looks a bit wolvish.

So, right now, at least, I'm least suspicious of Cailín, Celuien, and Nogrod.

I want to hear more from Lhuna, Lommy, Tom, Mith, and Durelin.

And I want to keep my eye on TGWBS, lmp, and morm (all of whom I'm sure we'll be hearing plenty from, whether I ask or not

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Durelin · 06-04-2006, 05:06 PM

Sorry, just noticed this:

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Durelin (Especially after her throwaway vote for me)

Out of curiosity, what vote would have made me seem less wolfish?

Edit: Cross-posted with Celuien. Sorry guys, you just seemed rather sure. But yeah, I know exploring the possibilities. I guess I'm just a skeptic...well, not purely, obviously...

Celuien · 06-04-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Durelin

Out of curiosity, what vote would have made me seem less wolfish?

Well, I'm not really sure. And if you are a wolf, I'm certainly not going to give you a guidebook on how to quell suspicion.

I do, however, recall a time when a wolf by the name of Roa attacked my ancestor quite strongly during the day after I began to suspect her. You're not one of her relatives, but the behavior is similar, and it's continuing to make me nervous.

EDIT: Crossed with Durelin's edit.

Thinlómien · 06-04-2006, 05:17 PM

Well, Fin is dead. I think the wolves thought her to be the seer, so I think someone should go through her posts and see who she suspected. That might help us.
I think no one really did that with spawn, so her suspects could be checked also.
I can do either of them, but not both.

Now, Cara, I can see two options who you hunted: someone you mentioned being suspicious, but who was not on your list of doom yesterday. Like LMP or me, for example. Or maybe Lhuna or Tom. That would be something the wolves wouldn't quite expect, but you would still use your hunt on someone you don't trust. The other option is the obvious one, that you went after morm, TGWBS or Durelin. I guess I would think the same as a wolf, but my guilty conscience would maybe emphasize the option which has me or my fellow wolves on it.

Nogrod · 06-04-2006, 05:36 PM

After Caran told me that she could not Hunt the same person two Nights in a row, I was a bit baffled - and in the end went checking for the actual ruling. Well I didn't find it from anywhere (no wonder I couldn't remember it). Then I started to wonder about another thing concerning the rules. I have copied below our latest death-toll and bolded some parts of it.

Night 1 ~ Kath, killed by a turtle in an aerial attack ~ Innocent.
Day 1 ~ Boromir, lynched by the villagers by means of lions ~ Innocent.
Night 2 ~ Formendacil, killed by a coyote and it's trickery ~ Innocent.
Day 2 ~ Saucepan Man, lynched by the villagers by means of a platypus catapault ~ Innocent.
Day 2 ~ Nilpaurion Felagund, killed by an emerging alter-ego ~ Innocent.
Night 3 ~ dancing spawn of ungoliant ~ Innocent.
Day 3 ~ Feanor of the Peredhil, killed by a chat skwerl ~ Innocent.
Night 4 ~ Findëasëa ~ Innocent

Looks grim. Yes. But has it been told anywhere, whether the roles of those who are dead will be revealed? If there is a possibility that behind the word innocent might lie something like "the Seer", the Ranger", this would look even more grim than it looks right now. And surely we should look at the game bit differently then.

So please Kath, could you come down to inform us on these matters? Or if anyone else is knowledgeable of these rulings (so they have been somewhere but I just didn't manage to locate them), please share your knowledge.

Feeling quite stupid if they were common knowledge - as I also seemed to have been the only one who thought that 11PM GMT (not BST) is the deadline...

Kath · 06-04-2006, 05:39 PM

The roles of the dead will be revealed. All those that have died so far have been ordinary villagers.

And Caran is right, the Hunter cannot protect the same person two Nights running.

Celuien · 06-04-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Feeling quite stupid if they were common knowledge - as I also seemed to have been the only one who thought that 11PM GMT (not BST) is the deadline...

You weren't. Hence my deadline confusion on the first day.

Durelin · 06-04-2006, 05:55 PM

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Well, I'm not really sure. And if you are a wolf, I'm certainly not going to give you a guidebook on how to quell suspicion. I do, however, recall a time when a wolf by the name of Roa attacked my ancestor quite strongly during the day after I began to suspect her. You're not one of her relatives, but the behavior is similar, and it's continuing to make me nervous.

Do you think I would risk voting for you after you have been suspicious of me if I really was a wolf? But really...I find it interesting that you call my suspicions of you an 'attack.' It's really rather amusing to me that I'm the one who's been called 'overly defensive.'

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I'm certainly not going to give you a guidebook on how to quell suspicion.

So is it guilty until proven innocent?

I kid, I kid...

Anyway... What was the driving force behind the Fea lynch yesterday? Simply the chance that she might be the changling and wanted to help us? Did she really even want to help us at all? Or is a suicidal villager not worth worrying about at all? I guess not.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Caran: I'm not sure about this, but maybe you should share the name of the one you were hunting last night? That could help us figure out the situation. But maybe someone else should also think about this one, for the idea just popped into my mind, and I haven't had time to think whether there are any risks involved. I think not, but at this stage of the game we should be careful (the killed list is just innocent after innocent and I don't like the look of it at all).

A wolfish plot?

Mithalwen · 06-05-2006, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kath

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And Caran is right, the Hunter cannot protect the same person two Nights running.

Generally deeply confused but surely the Hunter cannot protect anyone? Still reading through and astounded that Fea was not the Changeling ..

the guy who be short · 06-05-2006, 07:05 AM

Mith - I think Kath was confused. I don't remember there ever being rules about who the Hunter chooses. She seems to have mixed up Ranger and Hunter.

Celuien - you actually make sense. I didn't think of that. In that case

--CELUIEN

++LHUNA again.

For my original reason and for her wolf-list which seems ill thought-out to me. Also:

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Originally Posted by Lhuna

That whole issue about giving Caran complete trust with regards to voting reeks of lycanthropy in that he was practically leaving everything in her hands. Also, he seemed the one most concerned that Caran might die that Night, and now we find that she hasn't. A hands-cleaning bluff if I ever saw one.

Your first point, as I've said before, doesn't make sense to me. It has yet to be explained.
Your second also doesn't make sense to me. Explain how it works. At the moment it looks like you killed her specifically to say that, but didn't think through the logic behind it.

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Originally Posted by Lommy

I disagree. At this phase of the game, there's still all three wolves left and the village seems to be quite clueless about their identities. Why would they try to frame someone? They are, in my opinion, too worried about the seer at the moment and probably trying to get rid of her.

False. Up until now, we have been chasing loudmouths. Now, we have come to a point where, if the wolves do not keep pressure on the village, we will start looking at a new batch of people - something I have already started doing.

Also, wolves would not try to lynch the Seer. They take him/her in the night. They lynch whomever is opportune.

mormegil · 06-05-2006, 07:12 AM

Could I actually drop my suspicions of TGWBS? Something tells me he's innocent, yet he feels so guilty. I fully and truthfully recognize that there are some (TGWBS, Kath, Lommy) who always seem guilty to me whether they are or not. However, with that said I still keep my vote for LMP and call it a good one. If TGWBS is innocent I believe Lhuna does bear a bit more watching as she has felt different this game than any prior I've had with her.

TGWBS I cannot currently give any examples of how to manipulate a list because

1. We do not have the list.
2. I am not a wolf ergo my thought process is different
3. I wouldn't want to give any hints to the wolves, just in case they were too obtuse to think of ways themselves.

I generally found it easy to manipulate the list and use it to the wolfish advantage when we had it.

06-04-2006, 05:17 PM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Well, Fin is dead. I think the wolves thought her to be the seer, so I think someone should go through her posts and see who she suspected. That might help us. I think no one really did that with spawn, so her suspects could be checked also. I can do either of them, but not both. Now, Cara, I can see two options who you hunted: someone you mentioned being suspicious, but who was not on your list of doom yesterday. Like LMP or me, for example. Or maybe Lhuna or Tom. That would be something the wolves wouldn't quite expect, but you would still use your hunt on someone you don't trust. The other option is the obvious one, that you went after morm, TGWBS or Durelin. I guess I would think the same as a wolf, but my guilty conscience would maybe emphasize the option which has me or my fellow wolves on it. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris Last edited by Thinlómien; 06-04-2006 at 05:19 PM. Reason: bolded LMP

06-04-2006, 05:36 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	After Caran told me that she could not Hunt the same person two Nights in a row, I was a bit baffled - and in the end went checking for the actual ruling. Well I didn't find it from anywhere (no wonder I couldn't remember it). Then I started to wonder about another thing concerning the rules. I have copied below our latest death-toll and bolded some parts of it. Night 1 ~ Kath, killed by a turtle in an aerial attack ~ Innocent. Day 1 ~ Boromir, lynched by the villagers by means of lions ~ Innocent. Night 2 ~ Formendacil, killed by a coyote and it's trickery ~ Innocent. Day 2 ~ Saucepan Man, lynched by the villagers by means of a platypus catapault ~ Innocent. Day 2 ~ Nilpaurion Felagund, killed by an emerging alter-ego ~ Innocent. Night 3 ~ dancing spawn of ungoliant ~ Innocent. Day 3 ~ Feanor of the Peredhil, killed by a chat skwerl ~ Innocent. Night 4 ~ Findëasëa ~ Innocent Looks grim. Yes. But has it been told anywhere, whether the roles of those who are dead will be revealed? If there is a possibility that behind the word innocent might lie something like "the Seer", the Ranger", this would look even more grim than it looks right now. And surely we should look at the game bit differently then. So please Kath, could you come down to inform us on these matters? Or if anyone else is knowledgeable of these rulings (so they have been somewhere but I just didn't manage to locate them), please share your knowledge. Feeling quite stupid if they were common knowledge - as I also seemed to have been the only one who thought that 11PM GMT (not BST) is the deadline... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-04-2006, 05:39 PM	#6
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	The roles of the dead will be revealed. All those that have died so far have been ordinary villagers. And Caran is right, the Hunter cannot protect the same person two Nights running. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

06-05-2006, 07:12 AM	#11
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Could I actually drop my suspicions of TGWBS? Something tells me he's innocent, yet he feels so guilty. I fully and truthfully recognize that there are some (TGWBS, Kath, Lommy) who always seem guilty to me whether they are or not. However, with that said I still keep my vote for LMP and call it a good one. If TGWBS is innocent I believe Lhuna does bear a bit more watching as she has felt different this game than any prior I've had with her. TGWBS I cannot currently give any examples of how to manipulate a list because 1. We do not have the list. 2. I am not a wolf ergo my thought process is different 3. I wouldn't want to give any hints to the wolves, just in case they were too obtuse to think of ways themselves. I generally found it easy to manipulate the list and use it to the wolfish advantage when we had it. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

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