Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant

[Thinlómien]

Give up, Nogrod, you're pitiable.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sorry, we Scandinavians are sometimes hairy, but our hair is light and golden yellow, not the dark hue you others possess...

A lie again. Your hair is not golden yellow - it's light brown and far from golden. And my hair, for example, is even less golden yellow than yours - it's way darker than yours.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You will decide as you do. To this day you have killed Boromir, Saucie and Fea.

Don't even try that one. You yourself were strongly contributing to lynching Fea.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The barbeque subject... To whom do you think you can supply your ketchup after you kill me Celuien?

Maybe me, for example? I think I could try to persuade my patients to drink it instead of alcohol...

Originally Posted by morm

Lommy, it's nice to know that you are something. It's odd I often see giftedness as suspicious because you were acting a bit differently there for a while. Well done and I praise you on your efficiency at the end, though baffled that you didn't dream of me.

I did act differently. I was horrified of how edgy I was on Days 1 & 2. No wonder I was on nearly everyone's suspect list. I was wondering if I was doing terribly or terrificly...
I must admit I'm a bit baffled myself with the fact that I didn't dream of you... I can see two reasons:
1) I didn't want to dream of those who were under a serious threat of lynching, since their roles would be revealed anyway.
2) I had been so confident on your guilt, that I didn't want to learn for sure that you were an innocent... I guess that would have been too much for my pride.

Noggie, if you claim to be the seer and no one really believes you, why don't you volunteer to be lynched? Then we could lynch you and prove your "innocence"... Don't try to put up the argument that your "dreams" could be useful. You know that if you really were the seer, the village would lynch me and Lhuna next. They would lose nothing by killing you.

[Caranlondien]

Seem a little on edge there, Nogrod If you were the Seer and we lynched you, we'd still have your list...

[Nogrod]

= Caran
Seem a little on edge there, Nogrod

No, no. Nice and cozy, as the teddy-bear with Lommy. As I said, I'm really proud of her, in a sense...

But really. Look at Lommy's points in the mess she just posted before this. Just out of the hat nonsensense. Why would she go trying to find whatever point one might make if you were not the wolf yourself? So why sham reasons? Too eager to make the point believable? A wolf trying to save her case? Just trying to get any suspicions to voice out? Of how many of us could these be voiced?

Noggie, if you claim to be the seer and no one really believes you, why don't you volunteer to be lynched? Then we could lynch you and prove your "innocence"...

I have nothing against you lynching me. Check my last posts. I think we can afford one or two mislynches before we lose. All of us should take responsibility with the consequences... including a living Lommy.

We are not so surely winning even if we think ourselves cool after getting one wolf right. How many of us really felt they were getting the real culprit last Day? Be honest. We have been in the dark all of the game and are just now mislead profoundly. We have been just lousy villagers, sorry, and I admit being one of the top-lousy ones.

Now I guess we should pick Lhuna and check Lommy's poker with her. There is a chance that she has taken a risk that was too much. Otherwise, I have no more ideas than you others have (the list is not full). I believe Cailin's call, but we should be aware of her if the number of villagers will go down to meet the wolves (Changeling is good for us when the numbers are up, but there is a situation when she comes frightful to us). I'd like to check lmp next night, but as you know, I might be saying this just for misleading the wolves...

Durelin: Go down with some dignity left, Noggy...

I hope I will not have to go down, but if it is what you will, then yes I will try to. You'll see it.

[Thinlómien]

I must be enjoying arguing since I'm answering...

Nogrod: Do you really think anyone will take you seriously, especially after the happily I'm not gifted-slip?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

PS. Yes I'm sorry and can't say I have been a worthy Seer. I have actually been so bad as to try and deny my position in the village. The roles get mixed up during the game. With a role one has to think too much - and as I have had no time to concentrate (Lommy looking over my shoulder all the time) on the questions pertaining the village, I have been of little help. Sorry about that...

If you're a seer you definitely don't forget it/mix it up. It makes you so nervous that you can't forget it. I can say that from experience. And you should know that too from your first game.

And your memory seems to be quite flip-floppy. First you are the seer, then you are an ordo, then you're the seer again...

Even though your brains work a way differently than mine (= you can forget you're the seer for a while), why did you then edit the post from "happily I'm not a gifted"? Couldn't you just have quoted it and said "Ah, I just remembered, I'm the seer"?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But really. Look at Lommy's points in the mess she just posted before this. Just out of the hat nonsensense. Why would she go trying to find whatever point one might make if you were not the wolf yourself? So why sham reasons? Too eager to make the point believable? A wolf trying to save her case? Just trying to get any suspicions to voice out? Of how many of us could these be voiced?

Easy, easy. It makes me a wolf that I joke and say your arguments are feeble?

I have nothing against you lynching me. Check my last posts. I think we can afford one or two mislynches before we lose. All of us should take responsibility with the consequences... including a living Lommy

Great. I think we should lynch Nogrod as he volunteers.

No, it's not a big matter, we've won anyway, but it's only a bit neater victory.

How many of us really felt they were getting the real culprit last Day? Be honest.

I did, for one.

Originally Posted by me

++tom bombarriffic

Besides he is suspicious. Or he has suspicious air. This is mostly a gut feeling, but I feel he might be a wolf. Let's hope so.

Now, I don't want to hear a "she had a gut feeling 'cos she knew her fellow wolf" -argument, Nogrod. You seem to grasp any straw possible to try to convince the village of your "innocence".

We have been in the dark all of the game and are just now mislead profoundly.

...by you.

[Cailín]

Actually, I have believed Nogrod to be the Seer since the Day Saucie died. Anyone would have voted for Saucy at that point, only the Seer who knows he's innocent would have refused and be desperate to kill Mormegil. If you check WWXI, you'll see I did the exact same thing as the Seer.

It was weird that the wolves never quite picked up on that. So now I am not sure anymore.

But risking utter humiliation and defeat, I say I believe Nogrod. Also because I want to believe him: that would mean I am an excellent Seer-identifier.

I cannot believe Nogrod has been plotting to reveal himself as a false Seer from the start.

So Lommy: you are a liar and a wolf.

++THINLOMIEN

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Cailín

So Lommy: you are a liar and a wolf.

And you, Cailín dear, are the Changeling forced to play on the wolves' side toDay since you picked either Lhuna or Noggie last Night.

[Cailín]

The Changeling always has to play on the village's side during day time.

Besides, I deny everything.

You are being forceful and argue too much, Lom. Other villagers: read again the events on the Day Saucy was lynched (Day 2 I think) and see if there is nothing weird and Seerish about Nogrod!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Cailín

The Changeling always has to play on the village's side during day time.

I forgot about that, sorry...

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Cailín

Actually, I have believed Nogrod to be the Seer since the Day Saucie died. Anyone would have voted for Saucy at that point, only the Seer who knows he's innocent would have refused and be desperate to kill Mormegil. If you check WWXI, you'll see I did the exact same thing as the Seer.

Well, you know, I defended Saucy from day 1. Said some weird things to Elempi like (paraphrased), he's too important to go without a Seer dream, he may already have been dreamt of, I think he's innocent, and a day 3 told-you-so when I couldn't get back in time to try to save him on day 2. Sure made Elempi think I was the Seer. And Wolfgrod knows who the innocents are anyway, so he can defend whom he pleases to gain trust. Doesn't mean he's the Seer instead of the furry monster that he is.

Wolfgrod is just having fun trying to confuse the village and making a last effort to trick us into saving him. That edit. Really. The mark of a werewolf. No matter which Seer claimant you believe, they've both declared me innocent. I'd have no reason to lie about seeing the post lateration. And I have witnesses too. Morm. Durelin.

You're not a Cobbler, Cailin. You may be a Changling, but like you said, you're on our side in the day phase. Come on now. Stop helping those wolves. I'll give you a bottle of ketchup.

[Cailín]

Could you explain the edit to me? I have missed it, so I'm not sure what it was all about.

If Nogrod is indeed guilty, he had me fooled for a long time. I shall not pursue it any further. But as he was my prime Seer candidate the entire game... his claim just makes more sense to me. Sorry.

You can keep the ketchup, by the way.

[Cailín]

I assumed the wolves would be going after you. I was trying to lie as flat as possible. If I had suddenly started to voice suspicion of Nogrod though I hadn't suspected him all the previous days, the wolves would have surely killed me.

How could you assume such a thing when -at the time of posting that- I wasn't even going to be around that day and had made no claims to know anything whatsoever?

[the guy who be short]

++THINLOMIEN

Because I've trusted Cailin for yonks now, and haven't been sure about Lommy at all. Cailin's points against Lommy seem convincing.

In addition, the Ranger should not come out until we have sorted this mess out. That way they can continue saving people in the Night and not get Eaten.

Whoever the wolf is, they're not very smart. If they don't die tonight, they die tomorrow, and we get a Seer list to boot.


I thought Mithalwen was the Seer because of the whole mormegil thing.