WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

[Roa_Aoife]

Cats, Ducks, Orcs, and now Penguins... what's next? I'm almost afraid to ask.

I have failed in my duty to protect the Lady Elenwe, and I am greatly shamed for it. I will try to regain my honor by taking revenge on the beasts who harmed my mistress. Now, then, how to catch them?

I'm not one for theory making- I'm better at analysis, but I have nothing really to analyze at the moment. It seems this game will be nice and straight forward, aside from the cobbler. About said cobbler- lynching the cobbler would be no great loss to us earlier in the game when there are many of us. My greatest concern is that the cobbler, rather than getting him/herself lynched, will survive, and lead the village astray, (such as the case of Saucepanman during the attack of the Wereducks.) That said, we should be very careful concerning theories and reasoning, and look very closely for faulty logic or baseless assumptions, especially if someone keeps stating a theory as fact.

Like Big Bangs, etc...

EDIT: Elenwe, not Eonwe- but you have to admit, it's an easy mistake when you're rushed.

[the phantom]

About said cobbler- lynching the cobbler would be no great loss to us earlier in the game when there are many of us. My greatest concern is that the cobbler, rather than getting him/herself lynched, will survive, and lead the village astray

But in order for the cobbler to purposefully lead us incorrectly, he will first have to know which way is correct (i.e. he must know who the WPs are).

But he doesn't know. He's as clueless as the rest of us. He may guess right who the WPs are, but he is just as likely as us to guess wrong, and therefore his leading may actually lead us to a WP, and he may defend an innocent thinking that they are a WP. There's no telling.

That said, we should be very careful concerning theories and reasoning, and look very closely for faulty logic or baseless assumptions, especially if someone keeps stating a theory as fact.

Honestly, there is no reason for an intelligent Cobbler (or WP) to do any of this. It is easily possible to form a good solid theory that incorrectly pegs an innocent as a WP or a WP as an innocent.

The possibilities are endless.

In past villages, my ancestors were able to come up with decent reasoning for why pretty much every single villager was a werecreature.

[Eonwe]

Failed to protect the "Lady Eonwe", huh? I believe you meant "Lady Elenwë". Are we preoccupied a bit there Roa? Maybe thinking of a midnight snack, eh? Well, we'll see about that.



Of course, I'm just joking, and will of course try to make that plain, given my possition on the whole first day shenanigans deal.

Both of you are correct about the cobbler. We don't know and he doesn't know, so I say we just leave him alone for now. After all, what really can we do at this point?

All for now, I'll check back in later tonight, hopefully.

[Diamond18]

Never fear! Dimwë is here!

I say we get all of this over with quick and kill

++EOMER! ++EOMER I say! Yar!

Hahahahahahahaha!

Ha.

Ha.

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Er, what was that? He's not actually playing? Well pffifle it all. *sigh*


- - EOMER


But I would like to council anyone that if someone by the name of Eomer or Aimé or Hansel or Neil or Bubba should float ashore, we should not only kill him quickly, but in a messy fashion.

Now excuse me whilst I wonder off in a half-wit fashion and get lost in the hallways of this... place.

(OOC: yeah, I wasted my first retraction. But as I will be around at deadline time tomorrow, I don't foresee really needing it. And I needed to get that vote off my chest, where it's been sitting for a week or so and it's got a rather big buttocks so it was getting hard to breathe, you see.)

[Boromir88]

Here ye, Here ye, by order of Lord Turgon, brother of Aredhel and Fingon, son of Fingolfin, and King of Gondolin he sends this message:

I have my utmost confidence that this village can proceed onto victory.
Some may lose their lives along the way,
but their purpose in achieving victory for the innocent will not be forgotten.
Use the talents and gifts that you all are blessed with.
And after the Werepenguins are brought to justice,
there will be rich reward to those who survive.

Signed: Turgon Lord of Gondolin


A note on the cobbler, the biggest set back to having a cobbler would be the confusion he/she could potentially cause. As phantom says there guess as who is a wolf is just as good as any other ordinary villager.

While it is much more beneficial to lynch a werepenguin, getting rid of the cobbler would still be a victory for us. For we will eliminate the WP's ally and not be lynching an innocent villager purposefully trying to catch the wp's.

[Valier]

Well since there's not much to say on the first day I give you my take on everyone...Please don't be offended....just for fun


Anguirel -He's a sneaky one and I wouldn't put it passed him. He is a little well.... birdy.

Boromir88 - He is definately a Werepenguin..ya I said it!

dancing spawn of ungoliant - Eww she cleans up poo!..I'll keep my eyes on her.

Diamond18 - Very hard to judge at times, but can also be a sneaky baddie.

Encaitare - Hmmmm I don't know

Eonwe - Always so loud with his heralding!! someone to watch.

Firefoot- Friend hey?.....We'll see...

JennyHallu - She's bad to the bone

Kitanna - who cleans chamberpots I ask you? her hands are already dirty

Lalaith - So nice and trustworthy.....or is she?

Macalaure - Hi, I'm Macalaure, you may remember me from such ww games as....Oh wait,I've never met he\she before. newcomers are scary

Naria - Definately bad

the phantom - He's so hotheaded...what else is needed?

Roa_Aoife - She's for sures the E.W. .....Oh ya I mean she's SO bad!!

Valier - Forever doomed to find the bad guys

[Diamond18]

Diamond18 - Very hard to judge at times, but can also be a sneaky baddie.

I wish.

JennyHallu - She's bad to the bone

*cough cough* That was my line.

I don't really see what the discussion about the Cobbler is here. The Cobbler is bad, and dangerous. Even if they don't manage to figure out who the wolves are an expertly nudge them to victory (a la SpM... and I believe TORE was once a victorious Cobbler, though I didn't read that game, just saw it in the Grimoire) they are a liability and do not have the Elves' well being in mind. If we can kill Werepenguins instead, yay us, but if we get the Cobbler I'll be smiling.

A possible scenario would be for the Seer to dream of the Cobbler, and if/when they reveal, they can just tell us to ignore whatever that person says. But as this scenario requires the Seer revealing (and consequently dying) I still think that lynching the cobbler (or laughing when the penguins kill him/her at night) would do us just fine.

[Firefoot]

Our dear leaders Turgon and Elenwe, gone!? Aiee! I say we run around like leaderless chickens with our heads cut off, haphazardly voting and hoping to kill some penguins!!

Er, yeah. Miscellaneous comment of the day. I had to do it.

Concerning the cobbler: the cobbler is only bad if s/he survives to the point where there are an equal number of villagers and WP's excluding the cobbler. That's bad. But right now, I'm definitely not worried about the cobbler. As long as s/he ends up dead somewhere along the way, we're fine. Who knows? The wolves might even kill him/her... the wolves don't know who the cobbler is, either.

Now, who looks guilty...? Roa, obviously not doing a very good job of guarding Elenwe... and phantom the squire isn't doing an outstanding job either...

[Boromir88]

Some quick comments on people so far before I must be off...

Valier and Eonwe are acting too strange to be evil penguins. I don't think wps would act in this manner in the very early goings of the game.

Firefoot brought up useful comment on the cobbler, one which I completely forgot about, seeing as I have no remembrance of a cobbler for a very very long time now. So Firefoot I'm ok with for now, a very logical sensible person to have around.

I can't find much significance in Roa's, phantom's, or Diamond's, posts yet, so there's nothing for me to go off of.

I shall now depart.

[Macalaure]

So, this is my first Werewolf game and I have to say, I was a little bit nervous. Will I be able to detect a werewolf before they or my fellow villagers kill me?

And I haven't said anything yet and I'm already scary to Valier...

But then I was happy to read what the phantom wrote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Honestly, there is no reason for an intelligent Cobbler (or WP) to do any of this. It is easily possible to form a good solid theory that incorrectly pegs an innocent as a WP or a WP as an innocent.

The possibilities are endless.

In past villages, my ancestors were able to come up with decent reasoning for why pretty much every single villager was a werecreature.

So we aren't supposed to think about convincing arguments for our votes but to lynch each other completely at random? That takes a lot of pressure off me, thank you.

As I see it, the cobbler's dilemma is, that he first has to detect his wolves and then put together arguments that are exactly contrary to his actual thoughts. Same holds for the Werepenguins themselves, with the advantage, that they can exploit unreasonable behaviour of innocents, whereas the cobbler will fall for this.

The easiest way to protect our selves and make life harder for penguins and cobblers, is to put together convincing, logical arguments for our votes and suspicions. This shoulb be easier to do for us innocents, since we don't have to "make something up".

Well - my thoughts... coulb be bogus... I'm new here.