WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

[Diamond18]

Alright, first of all, I'm dead tired. I've been up since 6:30 AM and was at work blah blah blah so I'm listing to the side, as it were.

Strange as I feel about this, I could almost echo Valier's feelings on Ang at the moment. I have been thinking of Ang as more or less innocent for a few days, and when I question myself as to what my chief reason is, it is pretty much only because of where he falls on the List of What Boro Said. Much as I think it's a good theory and has so far proven true, not good enough reason to keep giving Ang a free pass in my mind. Free passes lead to ignoble deaths.

I had wanted to do an actual analysis of Ang's posts today (or, overNight) but I never did. The one thing that is making me leery of him is his obsession with me. Although so charmingly put, with the Audreyfication and all, I really don't understand his need to find everything I say suspicious even if he admits it's not in and of itself suspicious. So, apparently, earlier I was suspicious for being too Dimwë, and lately I've been suspicious for making too much sense. Either Ang is really stubborn in his belief that I'm a penguin, or is a penguin who doesn't know when to give up on a framing. This is my reason to want to take a closer look at Ang. At this moment I can't find it in my logical self to vote for him for this, because I realize that I always find anyone who goes after me to be suspicious, so someone who goes after me and practically begs the the rest of the village to do so as well....

But, I think I would Hunt him were I the Hunter. If I was the Hunter and Day was ending in the next few minutes, I would vote to lynch Valier to be sure, and if she were innocent, pick Ang to Hunt. If I were the Ranger, I would protect Roa. I've already given my opinion/prediction on Roa, so you know why.

However, that opinion may change before the Day actually ends. Right now I'm ridiculously tired and I didn't even have the energy to read over the quotes Roa has been posting much less analyze Ang or review the Day 3 posts. I also have to take into account that Spawn is still around -- and I'm not sure what Naria's vote for her yesterDay meant and I don't want to just drop her from my consciousness and get totally distracted by Ang and Valier. There's just so much to think about, and it's not my best day in this village. I'll be leaving 4 1/2 hours before the deadline tomorrow, so will be voting early. Now, I'm wondering if I should try to follow through with reviewing and analyzing tonight, just to make sure I get it done, or go to bed early in hopes of having more brainpower to do so tomorrow.

[Roa_Aoife]

Ang's quotes

Valier

Valier's behaviour is normal and not that suspicious.

Yep. Thanks Valier, I know I can always rely on you to cheer me up.

Which is why I don't intend to seal any fates now...I'm really not convinced of the innocence or guilt of either Jenny or Valier. I would vote for Jenny before Valier, if you want my opinion, but in this case I'm sticking to my crumbling Crimean guns.

Valier-as a wolf she is a hardy lieutenant who is often quite hard to catch; for the reasons Diamond raised, that her tactics are so consistent. In this case, I'm not entirely sure. I was more willing to absolve her yesterday. The fact that Diamond was pretty much urging her to the gibbet is in my mind some kind of evidence in her favour. But there are troubles here. Her "instincts" do seem slightly affected by realpolitick-what she can realistically hope to achieve according to the fluctuations of public opinion. Hence she has laid off the generally trusted Macalaure, concentrated fire especially on me, and now, it must be said, seems to transfer some energy to Firefoot and Eonwe. Not sure, but I won't vote for her unless some of my clearer theories are derailed.

I also am still uncertain about Valier's guilt and, to be frank, think Enca's potential bandwagon one of the few able to withstand the anti Valier movement.

Spawn

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...7&postcount=44

Oh, and that stuff about dragging Spawnowen through the coals about Firefoot and Roa and then disingenuously claiming I wasn't accusing her for it is a good sighting by you, but it was, sort of, intended as a joke.

Spawnowen-is to Diamond what Diamond is to me-a pet lynching project. I think though that Diamond may have more success than I. Still, spawn is much more on the ball now. Her contribution in the case against Valier was just as important as Diamond's-am I getting it right?-so perhaps in fairness I should suspect her too, but she seems to be playing things straighter. Suspects Macalaure, seriously off the beaten path and so giving her some cred. Talking of which...

Roa

But Roa's case-as Lalaith overlooked in her relief in finding an ally, but as Boromir pointed out-is fairly flimsy, based on a contradiction that does not exist. This seems to be a genuine misunderstanding and so I am inclined to spare the rod here.

You conveniently didn't address it. Face it, you've got something wrong. There was no essential contradiction. Now please, prune your pride and have a glance elsewhere-you're really good value when you're not barking up the proverbial errant tree.

I know my performance looks like a one-track advance today, but I have also examined Roa a bit and she still seems a figure exuding fewer Machiavellian vibes.

Roa-I get the malaise when approaching her that affects me when dealing with the especially loud. Like verbal earache. But I'm going to press on. Yesterday I regarded her as next most worth an Inquisition after Diamond. She does go for elaborately documented and apparently impartial, fairminded cases. She criticises me, incidentally, for openly looking for reasons to blame people. She has a point, but that's not quite what I do, though it sometimes looks like it

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, that's done. I've noticed some unpleasant things while going back- Spawn's position on my many lists doesn't look very good. Also, did anyone else notice that she picked up Jenny's cobbler hint on Day 1? And Valier said something very similar about Spawn to what Boromir said about her. But you can't claim she flipped anout Ang.

Anyways.... Someone should go back and see what the four of us said about Naria and Boromir. I would, but I have to get up early for work and I will only be able to get back on a few hours before the deadline, and then for only a brief time.

And Diamond- to simplify for you, if I assume that Boromir didn't list his fellows together, then Ang, Spawn, Valier, and myself are the only possible suspects. I've posted as many stats and relevant quotes as I could find so that we all have a wealth of evidence to look through. Do so at your leisure.

If I have the time, I'll try to come up with a basic list of where the views of Naria and Boromir intersected with our views.

Alright then, hm... if I were the ranger, I'd probably protect Enca, since she's lowest on my list. I don't trust her, I just distrust her the least of evryone else. And as the hunter... well, I'm still worried about Firefoot. I'd probably hunt her, if I could. After her, Spawn, just for the sake of knowing. Certainly one of the other 3.

[Roa_Aoife]

And just because I wanted to:

Originally Posted by Ang

Face it, you've got something wrong. There was no essential contradiction.

*blows rasberry* How 'bout them apples?! Got something wrong, eh? Tell that to Boromir's feathered corpse!

Ah, it's nice to have a moral victory.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

And Diamond- to simplify for you, if I assume that Boromir didn't list his fellows together, then Ang, Spawn, Valier, and myself are the only possible suspects. I've posted as many stats and relevant quotes as I could find so that we all have a wealth of evidence to look through. Do so at your leisure.

I know -- I know what you were doing, since I read everything that wasn't a quote, and I do want to study the quotes or at least read back over the thread myself. I'm just saying that my brain is rubbish at the moment and so I can't really do anything that I wanted to and actually do it right. (The only reason I'm still sitting here is because of that annoying part of me which keeps saying, "You know you won't be any smarter in the morning and you'll probably just oversleep anyway so stay up and get to work! C'mon! Sleep is for the weak!" )

[the phantom]

Yesterday's voting-

(I)=innocent, (WP)=WerePenguin

Mac (I) for Eonwe (I) ---- Eonwe (I)-1
Di for Spawn ---- Spawn-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Ang for Enca ---- Spawn-1, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Naria (WP) for Spawn ---- Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Spawn for Naria (WP) ---- Spawn-2, Naria (WP)-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Enca for Naria (WP) ---- Naria (WP)-3, Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
tp (I) for Naria (WP) ---- Naria (WP)-4, Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
FF for Naria (WP) ---- Naria (WP)-5, Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Val for Naria (WP) ---- Naria (WP)-6, Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Roa for FF ---- Naria WP-6, Spawn-2, Enca-1, FF-1, Eonwe (I)-1

Comments to follow in seperate post...

[the phantom]

Spawn and Naria were neck and neck early, but Naria took a solid lead after that.

Spawn and Naria voted for each other at a critical time. It made it very likely that one of them would be lynched. I've been a Werewolf with Spawn before, and I can't see her being that stupid. She would've come up with something better.

Spawn is totally off my lynch list today.

I also don't think an Enca-Penguin would boost Naria up at that point in the voting.

Firefoot is a possibility though. At that point, Naria already had a slim lead with only two votes left, and if I'm remembering right the number two vote getter at that point, Spawn, didn't look like she'd be moving up into the lead.

The same things goes for Val.

Lynching one of those two seems like a decent plan today.

I also say we put some trust in Spawn today.

[the phantom]

Here's what Naria said about various people.

Anguirel- Hmmm he's a tuff one to understand. I don't like the way that he is being so pushy with his posts especially towards people that I don't find particularly evil right now. Quite frankly some of his posts don't make any sense at all and that doesn't sit well with me.

She's acting fairly suspicious of Ang.

Spawn- I don't know. She hasn't been playing like she normally does, maybe it's due to RL but maybe not. I would expect alot more from her by now and that just hasn't happened yet. Another one that isn't sitting well with me.

She's acting somewhat suspicious of Spawn, but as I said before I'm leaving Spawn alone.

Diamond- She seems to be acting per usual. Nothing to send up red flags yet.

She's pretty much saying Di=innocent. Do you think Penguin-Naria would do that?

Enca- She has some pretty good reasoning in her posts, but I am not ready to take my eye off of her just yet.

Earlier I said that Enca's vote makes me not suspect her so much, and this comment doesn't raise a red flag.

Firefoot- I'm not sure about. She seems to be trying to give it her all, but fumbles the ball at times. Like I said....I'm not sure.

She's very wishy-washy on Firefoot. What do you think of that?

Roa- Is evil! HA....I jest of course. But, I don't trust her nonetheless....I don't know if I ever will. She's crafty beyond belief. If there is one person that can pull off a septuple bluff, I'm sure Roa could do it with ease.

I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm inclined to attribute it to events that happened in Wizard-Werewolf. Her statement definitely ends on the note that we should be wary of Roa.

Valier- She's another hard one to read. I do want to mention, however that she can be quite the asset in a village with her uncanny ability for WW spotting.

She claims Val is difficult to read, and ends on a positive note. Hmm.