WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

And Diamond- to simplify for you, if I assume that Boromir didn't list his fellows together, then Ang, Spawn, Valier, and myself are the only possible suspects. I've posted as many stats and relevant quotes as I could find so that we all have a wealth of evidence to look through. Do so at your leisure.

I know -- I know what you were doing, since I read everything that wasn't a quote, and I do want to study the quotes or at least read back over the thread myself. I'm just saying that my brain is rubbish at the moment and so I can't really do anything that I wanted to and actually do it right. (The only reason I'm still sitting here is because of that annoying part of me which keeps saying, "You know you won't be any smarter in the morning and you'll probably just oversleep anyway so stay up and get to work! C'mon! Sleep is for the weak!" )

[the phantom]

Yesterday's voting-

(I)=innocent, (WP)=WerePenguin

Mac (I) for Eonwe (I) ---- Eonwe (I)-1
Di for Spawn ---- Spawn-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Ang for Enca ---- Spawn-1, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Naria (WP) for Spawn ---- Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Spawn for Naria (WP) ---- Spawn-2, Naria (WP)-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Enca for Naria (WP) ---- Naria (WP)-3, Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
tp (I) for Naria (WP) ---- Naria (WP)-4, Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
FF for Naria (WP) ---- Naria (WP)-5, Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Val for Naria (WP) ---- Naria (WP)-6, Spawn-2, Enca-1, Eonwe (I)-1
Roa for FF ---- Naria WP-6, Spawn-2, Enca-1, FF-1, Eonwe (I)-1

Comments to follow in seperate post...

[the phantom]

Spawn and Naria were neck and neck early, but Naria took a solid lead after that.

Spawn and Naria voted for each other at a critical time. It made it very likely that one of them would be lynched. I've been a Werewolf with Spawn before, and I can't see her being that stupid. She would've come up with something better.

Spawn is totally off my lynch list today.

I also don't think an Enca-Penguin would boost Naria up at that point in the voting.

Firefoot is a possibility though. At that point, Naria already had a slim lead with only two votes left, and if I'm remembering right the number two vote getter at that point, Spawn, didn't look like she'd be moving up into the lead.

The same things goes for Val.

Lynching one of those two seems like a decent plan today.

I also say we put some trust in Spawn today.

[the phantom]

Here's what Naria said about various people.

Anguirel- Hmmm he's a tuff one to understand. I don't like the way that he is being so pushy with his posts especially towards people that I don't find particularly evil right now. Quite frankly some of his posts don't make any sense at all and that doesn't sit well with me.

She's acting fairly suspicious of Ang.

Spawn- I don't know. She hasn't been playing like she normally does, maybe it's due to RL but maybe not. I would expect alot more from her by now and that just hasn't happened yet. Another one that isn't sitting well with me.

She's acting somewhat suspicious of Spawn, but as I said before I'm leaving Spawn alone.

Diamond- She seems to be acting per usual. Nothing to send up red flags yet.

She's pretty much saying Di=innocent. Do you think Penguin-Naria would do that?

Enca- She has some pretty good reasoning in her posts, but I am not ready to take my eye off of her just yet.

Earlier I said that Enca's vote makes me not suspect her so much, and this comment doesn't raise a red flag.

Firefoot- I'm not sure about. She seems to be trying to give it her all, but fumbles the ball at times. Like I said....I'm not sure.

She's very wishy-washy on Firefoot. What do you think of that?

Roa- Is evil! HA....I jest of course. But, I don't trust her nonetheless....I don't know if I ever will. She's crafty beyond belief. If there is one person that can pull off a septuple bluff, I'm sure Roa could do it with ease.

I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm inclined to attribute it to events that happened in Wizard-Werewolf. Her statement definitely ends on the note that we should be wary of Roa.

Valier- She's another hard one to read. I do want to mention, however that she can be quite the asset in a village with her uncanny ability for WW spotting.

She claims Val is difficult to read, and ends on a positive note. Hmm.

[Anguirel]

You're all going to groan.

But really, everyone, why are you so quick to leap to assert the innocence of...Diamond?

She was hallowed with vague trust (the Werewolf equivalent of damning with faint praise) by Naria. Boromir also said she was more innocent than guilty. Neither of them paid special attention to her. Are we all such cynics now that the old Werewolf trick of defence by association, inference, and mild reference is forgotten? That three wolves who defend each other quietly but effectively cannot be conceived of?

She got an early vote out against Spawn, who as phantom pointed out is looking pretty rosy at the moment, which could have easily spurred off a lynching. After Boromir's death she produced the distraction of Werewolf X. She has voted for first Lalaith, our Seer (though even as a penguin she wouldn't have known that), then Valier, who I think so stubbornly misguided she can't be guilty (not unlike Farael's performance a while back) with regard to me, and to whom we owe the unmasking of Naria; then spawn, an early vote absolving her from whatever happened in the night.

As regards to accusing her for being too Dimwe and too sensible...she's not sensible, so much as influential, and on a wavelength I find myself sympathising with. This increases the danger she poses if guilty.

So, I would guard...spawn, I think, who is the next most clearly innocent after phantom in my book; and I would hunt that blasted lycan Diamond.

[the phantom]

Good thoughts, Ang.

But I have to go to bed now. I'll try to drop by in about 6 hours.

If I don't, I guarantee I'll show up about five hours before the voting deadline and stick around for a while.

[Anguirel]

Having denounced Diamond in part for her early vote, I ought to warn you that I'll probably be doing the same thing. I'm going to a Roman party tonight, setting off at 5:45. I suspect I will return to see my mangled corpse, but if you're not into attacking those who can't defend themselves you might want to consider a stay of execution.

Anyway, I'll vote at, I expect, about 4:00 o' clock. And I will try and consider other options than Diamond; it just disconcerts me that you all trust her so solidly. I'll draw up another nice, campy list with all my suspicions and theories as well, and conclude with an order of suspects for the last wolf.

I'll probably hash together a defence of myself as well, I suppose.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Generally, quotes from Boro and Naria make Firefoot look rather bad. Boro was quick to express trust in her on Day 1 in his post #14...

"Firefoot brought up useful comment on the cobbler, one which I completely forgot about, seeing as I have no remembrance of a cobbler for a very very long time now. So Firefoot I'm ok with for now, a very logical sensible person to have around."

...which is a bit odd considering that the Day just started. That was the same post where he said that Val is too strange to be a WP, but I don't know if that makes them look more innocent or guilty. Would a WP Boro proclaim his comrade innocent so early on, I wonder.

Also, her post #328 from yesterDay was interesting. Ff gave her thoughts about her voting candidates, and they all were quite vague:

"Valier: I don't know"
"Naria: (...) I don't know what to do with her"
"Encai: A lot like Valier. I don't know what to do with Encai either"
"Spawn: (...) I really don't know what to think"

It's true that she giving a fourth vote for Naria at a time when there were two votes plus her own left is a bit questionable. Firefoot's replies to Valier toDay make me wary, too, because they seem more heated that would be necessary ("Well, duh, not even the wolves know who the cobbler is (...) Why the heck would a wolf say something like that?"). I don't deny the possibility that Valier is the last penguin, but I'm not very comfortable with Ff either.


As to Ang, my impression of him hasn't changed. I'm sure an Emperor Anguirel would be capable of putting together some sound thoughts as he has done toDay, but I look forward reading more from him. One quote from Day 1, though.

"I'm not quite sure I'm so desperately guilty as charged." ~Ang #44

That's an interesting way to put it.


Hmm, Roa then. I had a dream that she was a WP, but since I'm no Seer I will happily disregard it now. She has been helpful from the beginning, and although that itself doesn't prove someone's innocence, there are plenty of more suspicious people around, too. Just one thing:

Roa, you listed yourself as a suspect of Boromir's, but at the end of the Day he seemed to lean towards your innocence. Although he said things like, "Roa, I find this act of taking things out of context and twisting really really strange did I hit a nerve?" ~ #75

...his last comments of you were:

"Roa's acts are strange but it actually in a wierd way makes her look more innocent to me. She's just being far too aggressive" ~ #85

"Roa seems more like a lost innocent than a bandwagoning penguin" ~#85


Di, it was parts of posts as I said in #304.


Now, if I had to pick the most suspicious person to hunt, I'd choose Anguirel, and I'd guard Encai because her vote makes her look rather innocent.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

After Boromir's death she produced the distraction of Werewolf X.

A distraction, you call it? Excuse moi. It was Roa I believe who first requested knowledge of how Boro as a wolf played. It was tp who posted PM's from WWX. I read through the game and brought up posts that showed exactly how he behaved in relation to his fellow wolves, and pointed out the similarities to this game. If that's a distraction, as you're calling it, I must be completely wrong about where Boro would have placed his wolves in his suspicions, ergo either you or Roa are definitely wolves. Yes? And between the two of you, I know exactly who to vote for:

+ + ANGUIREL, the Cod-Rhyming PENGUIN

If not Ang, then Valier, I think, because an innocent Valier usually isn't that wrong about people.

I'm going to try and cram some more reading in to see if there's any reason I should retract before heading off to work.

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa, you listed yourself as a suspect of Boromir's, but at the end of the Day he seemed to lean towards your innocence. Although he said things like, "Roa, I find this act of taking things out of context and twisting really really strange did I hit a nerve?" ~ #75

When I said he found me suspicious on Day, he had found me suspicious. He didn't back off untill I pressed my attack on him. Also, thankyou for the quotes from Boromir. I got all the Boromir quotes that I posted from phantom's post #251 .

I'm curious- is anyone else giving credence to my idea, or do you all think I've completely lost it now and I'm getting far too deep in these whole analysis thing? I realize it may be tedious to read through (just think how tedious it was to get it) but I really do think it will help. I'm going to use the little time I have right now to make a list of where the suspicion and trust crossed between everyone.

If you want the quotes I'm using for this list, you'll have to go back and see for yourself, since I don't have time. All the crossing will obviously be up till time of death.

[Diamond18]

Okay, I've read and re-read all the quotes that have been posted toDay, and here's my feelings:

Ang - Still think there's something avian about that boy. If he is, I'll be somewhat disappointed because it will prove wrong my theory that Boro stayed true to form and put one Penguin in the "innocent" category and one in the "unsure" category. I guess I don't mind his case against me so much as the constant whinging that no one believes him and everyone trusts me and I'm weilding an inordinate amount of influence in the village. Puh. Leeze. This isn't even close to being true. There's also that odd statement to Roa on Day 1 -- backing Boro. His vote record isn't stunning, either.

Spwan -- I don't really agree with tp that Spawn and Naria wouldn't cross vote for each other. It's not stupid, it's bluffing. Sometimes bluffs work, sometimes they don't, doesn't make one stupid for trying. However I'm willing to hold off on her for toDay at least. I found it interesting to note that Naria thought me innocent and then bandwaggoned onto my Spawn vote, which if Spawn is innocent smacks of a framing of the Di should Spawn have died. Hmmm, who else wants to frame me this game, oh yeah, Ang!

Valier -- I find her posting as of late less suspicious, really. Is this a good sign for Val or a bad one? However, if Ang proves innocent then Valier's crusade against him will send her right back up there in my suspicions.

Roa -- So far I feel innocent. It is strange however to note that Boro actually described her as his "innocent" at the end of the day and she's been putting herself on "people Boro suspected" lists. If Ang, Spawn, and Valier all died innocent, would it be too late to start worrying about Roa?

Firefoot -- I don't really see the suspiciousness, actually. She's been a bit snappish, but then I remember an Innocent Firefoot giving an Innocent Diamond a backhand in Innocent Diamond's first game for suspecting her on dodgy reasoning. Also, if my theory does actually hold true, then Firefoot being on the same list as Naria excuses her somewhat.

Enca -- I don't know, I'm running out of time and apparently can't remember any of the Enca related quotes now. But she does share a spot on the "unsure" list so ditto for what I said about Firefoot in that regard.