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Kitanna · 07-01-2006, 10:33 AM

I hate to do this, but I must vote and not much as been said for me to go on since my last post. At least not much to help me make a better choice.

++ Glirdan

His jumping on the Form thing is just setting off alarms in my head. I really hoped it wouldn't come to me doing this, but I can't get one again. So I have to go with who I find the most suspicious.

But I'm still holding on to my earlier Form/Nogrod/Roa theory from earlier. I think two might be wolves trying to lead us all down a path of their choosing. I don't want to act on this yet, which is why I didn't vote for one of those three.

I'm sorry this is all so rushed.

JennyHallu · 07-01-2006, 11:19 AM

Hello, I'm here, the world is ending, and I'm going to sit and read carefully for a while. Don't eat bugs.

Glirdan, Morm, and Form all seem perfectly normal to me right now. By which I mean Form is always annoying, Glirdan almost always makes a "random" vote day 1, and Morm always takes it personally that people don't like being told what to do. What worries me is the silence from Valier, whom I think we all know is NOT a silent werewolf player. Does she know we started?

Valier · 07-01-2006, 11:31 AM

Sorry villagers!!! I know I have not been too helpful or talkative today, but as I said in the discuss thread today is a very special day for some of us....

Thank you Noggie dear for having confidence in me and my feelings. I may be back before the vote, but I may not,so today is not a good feeling day for me, but I promise tomorrow I shall get busy catching us some wolves. I will read over what has been posted before I vote and hopefully be able to post a baddie, not baddie list today.

Oh Hi Jenny!! I'm here, but not for long. Sorry 'bout the quietness

Valier · 07-01-2006, 12:12 PM

Baddies

Kuru
Eomer
Form
Morm
Roa
Mith

Goodies

Kitanna
Jenny
Noggie
Mac
Me
Glirdan

Sorry I don't have time for my thoughts on each. I may be back to change my vote, I may not.

++Formendabras (Form)

His first Day rants are always a good cover for a Wolf.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-01-2006, 12:32 PM

Valier, while I have undeniable evil tendencies, I resent being lumped together with 5 others on the 'Baddies' side when there are but 3 wolves.

Formendacil, your stance is just so puzzling. There's oodles to think about here. You just have to wait until quite near the end of Day One.

Nogrod · 07-01-2006, 12:36 PM

Why do these football matches have to go to overtime & penalty shoot-outs all the time? (And have both metaphysically & poetically the "wrong results"!)

And it greatly distracts werewolf-playing...

A quick one first.

Kitanna has made me quite alarmed of her. Her way of bringing this quite ungrounded (surely it's thinkable) "loose theory" of Form, Roa & myself just in passing (but repeated) - and in the end not acting on it, but taking the "safe vote" for Glirdy seems quite wolvish to me. So she wishes to cast suspicion over some active players (Roa and me) linking them with somene who has been suspected already (Form), and then actually votes for another largely suspected one (Glirdy), cleaning her tracks nicely.

Back soon as I get to read a few things more carefully.

EDIT: X-posted with a couple of posts

mormegil · 07-01-2006, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenny

and Morm always takes it personally that people don't like being told what to do.

I love the stigma I have attached to me that I take everything personally

. I realize the irony in saying this too. No Jenny I put forward a simple plan to get things moving and it helped. I know that nobody ever buys into these plans on day 1 because some think that the person with the plan must be a wolf otherwise why would a plan be presented. Others feel it short-sighted, and some have this crazy notion that because an idea is presented that person must want to control everybody in the village and nobody think for themselves.

mormegil · 07-01-2006, 12:44 PM

Sorry for the double..didn't want to edit.

I think the Formendacil campaign is borderline madness. I really don't see him as a wolf but rather as plain old Formen Day 1 hater and active at telling us so.

Mithalwen · 07-01-2006, 12:58 PM

Oh Valier has out me on the baddie list ...don't know whether to be flattered or insulted. Not yet on form clearly but at least I am in good company. Or perhaps really bad company. However, I can't help but think that her vote for Form is reasonable enough for day one (ref my earlier post) however as another Canadian he may have RL concerns too. However Wolves are not above voting for a colleaugue who has become conspicuous. Hmm. This is a very quiet camp and so today is likely to be fairly random. Huncehs may be the only way to go..

teh positive aspect of having such a strong group of players is at least it should discourage lazy voting. In many games there is a player or two who people can persuade themselves to vote for not because they find them especially suspicious but because they find them confusing, and if they turn out to be innocent there is at least the small grief-dividend that at least that person won't be around to mess with their heads.... I hope noone will vote too casually. I am uneasy about Form but I don't know if I am uneasy enopugh to vote for him yet. Of course if he ends up being the person who makes me most uneasy .....

OK know even I thinkI am rambling... will read again and hope theere is new material

As for your questions Noggin : 1, Dont know/care. 2, my grief is controllable 3, no it doesn't

Kuruharan · 07-01-2006, 12:54 PM

I'm going to go ahead and vote...

++ Eomer of the Rohirrim

Mainly because he's not been around...much, and I can't think of anything better to do. I don't really want to join the Signore Formendacil bandwagon (although, mama mia, if he does turn out to be a wolf that will be awkward). I'm even less comfortable with the Signore Glirdan campaign.

WARNING: Vote under pressure and may change with little warning.

mormegil · 07-02-2006, 02:58 PM

Oops. Sorry.

Glirdan voted Formendacil (Formendacil 1)
Macalaure voted Nogrod(Formendacil 1, Nogrod 1,)
Mormegil voted Glirdan (Formendacil 1, Glidan 1, Nogrod 1)
Roa voted Formendacil (Formendacil 2, Glirdan 1, Nogrod 1)
Eomer voted Mormegil (Formendacil 2, Glirdan 1, Mormegil 1, Nogrod 1)
Kitanna voted Glirdan (Formendacil 2, Glirdan 2, Mormegil 1, Nogrod 1 )
Valier voted Formendacil (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 2, Mormegil 1 Nogrod 1)
Kuru voted Eomer (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 2, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Nogrod 1)
Jenny voted Kuru (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 2, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Kuru 1,Nogrod 1 )
Formendacil voted Glirdan (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 3, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Kuru 1, Nogrod )
Nogrod voted Kitanna (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 3, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Kuru 1, Kitanna 1, Nogrod 1)
Mithalwen voted Glirdan (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 4, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Kuru 1, Kitanna 1, Nogrod 1)

Any other mistakes

That makes a lot more sense now. I was wondering why Formendacil declared himself and thought it a bit foolish. Anyway most of the thoughts stay the same. Mithalwen still could be a wolf knowing that she was 'saving' the seer to kill an innocent, either way it was sixes for the wolves because they get to kill the seer at day or night.

Oh, I challenge the wolves to have the courage to leave me alive for at least one more day. Unless you fear a challenge.

JennyHallu · 07-03-2006, 07:59 AM

#12

In character goofiness and then a defense of day 1. Not a big deal, not very telling.

#39

She's here! she says. Hellos and thanks-for-noticings. Not a big deal, not very telling.

#40

Ok, I know this is in the post, but here, again, is her good and bad list. I have added italics for known innocents, underlines for dead people.

Quote:

Baddies

Kuru
Eomer
Form
Morm
Roa
Mith

Goodies

Kitanna
Jenny
Noggie
Mac
Me
Glirdan

Now this is a day 1 list, I don't know how significant it is, but I want to compare it with the one we got today.

Her vote for Form is based on the idea that his rant could be good cover...nothing more concrete than that?

#78

I'm not keeping her notes, just generally sorting. You can check the post and see if I'm right.

Baddies
Eomer
Kuru

Not-Sures
Mac
Mith
Jenny
Kitanna

Innocents
Morm
Noggie

Seems to be consistent, at least.

I'm inclined to think Val innocent as of yet. At the very least I have no reasons not to. Don't like her voting reasons, but I don't expect long explanations from Val. Oh well.

JennyHallu · 07-03-2006, 08:13 AM

However, most are short.

#26, #27, #28

The middle one makes almost no sense.

First is a day 1 defense.

Attacks analyses. Uhoh.

Nothing jumps out at me. I agree with Noggie on Mith: when she's calm, she's probably innocent. Gifted or Wolvish she gets jumpy. However, she's really made no contributions, and despite the fact that she seems to have found more time, none of the promised explanation of her suspicions is forthcoming.

#41

Says she's here, nothing else relevant.

#48

Says she's uneasy about Form. First thing to a concrete contribution we've received. Explanation, of course, would be too much to ask.

#60

Vote for Noggie, retracted to Glirdan.

The retraction is clear, but why Noggie? only mention or interaction you've had with Noggie is joking about football vs. tennis.

Skipping the shouting, on to day 2.

#83, #84

There were reasons for Noggie? Great! Will you repost them? Apparently not. 84 seems merely to be clarification.

Mith really feels fairly innocent...but then...why no reasoning, thoughts, input? She's on my suspect list, but low on it.

mormegil · 07-03-2006, 09:15 AM

Currently I am going to give Eomer the benefit of my doubt. His response to Nogrod was decent enough to stay my vote. However, I would recommend not forgetting him and keeping him under a microscope, so to speak.

Valier still doesn't sit well with me. I've learned that ususally it's not the people who look the most guilty that are indeed guilty, wish that I had heeded that advice on Glirdan...you know the greatest thing about being a known innocent is I can say anything I want without any worry

++Valier

I will likely be back and may change my vote but in case I don't get back I wanted to get my vote out there.

Kuruharan · 07-03-2006, 09:15 AM

(Pass the Chianti, per favore. Grazie! Ahhh…that helps.)

After carefully reading through all of today’s posts Signore Macalaure strikes me as being ever more bizarre. Now as the enlightened among you, who have studied my marvelous werewolfing history at great length, know…I always tend to view strong defenses with a certain degree of favor. But this…

Quote:

I am not defensive. Not at all! And I am not tense.
-Macalaure post # 80

…really seems a bit much.

Also, could somebody please explain to me the point this ragazzo was trying to make with this…

Quote:

Well, of course Form didn't make his seerness so clear - he's not suicidal. If it had been clear, presumably no wolf would have bothered voting for him. Instead they would have silently finished him off in the night. His being a seer was not obvious and this is good for us, because the reasons given for his lynching were intentionally or unintentionally wrong. If we can sever the two, we might catch a wolf, but I have doubts that we can.
-Macalaure post # 80

None of this follows or makes any sense. If Signore Formendacil had made his seerness clear during the DAY, the wolves would have had every reason in the world to vote for him early and often so they could kill him as soon as possible and have the NIGHT to pick off innocents. And I don’t see that the last section of his paragraph means anything at all. This whole post just strikes me as a whole lot of sound and fury signifying nothing…exactly as a werewolf would do.

I have almost come to the point of revising yesterday’s opinion about Signore Eomer. His behavior was so out of character for him that I find it hard to believe that he might be a wolf. Unfortunately, I can also see the other side of that coin all too well and that was the side that was up for me yesterDAY (mainly because I couldn’t think of anything else). He has been more normal today. If we want to kill him toDAY just to be on the safe side, I could probably be all for that. However, I’m probably going to vote for Signore Macalaure.

Addio.

07-01-2006, 12:32 PM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Valier, while I have undeniable evil tendencies, I resent being lumped together with 5 others on the 'Baddies' side when there are but 3 wolves. Formendacil, your stance is just so puzzling. There's oodles to think about here. You just have to wait until quite near the end of Day One. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-01-2006, 12:58 PM	#9
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Oh Valier has out me on the baddie list ...don't know whether to be flattered or insulted. Not yet on form clearly but at least I am in good company. Or perhaps really bad company. However, I can't help but think that her vote for Form is reasonable enough for day one (ref my earlier post) however as another Canadian he may have RL concerns too. However Wolves are not above voting for a colleaugue who has become conspicuous. Hmm. This is a very quiet camp and so today is likely to be fairly random. Huncehs may be the only way to go.. teh positive aspect of having such a strong group of players is at least it should discourage lazy voting. In many games there is a player or two who people can persuade themselves to vote for not because they find them especially suspicious but because they find them confusing, and if they turn out to be innocent there is at least the small grief-dividend that at least that person won't be around to mess with their heads.... I hope noone will vote too casually. I am uneasy about Form but I don't know if I am uneasy enopugh to vote for him yet. Of course if he ends up being the person who makes me most uneasy ..... OK know even I thinkI am rambling... will read again and hope theere is new material As for your questions Noggin : 1, Dont know/care. 2, my grief is controllable 3, no it doesn't __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-01-2006, 12:54 PM	#10
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	I'm going to go ahead and vote... ++ Eomer of the Rohirrim Mainly because he's not been around...much, and I can't think of anything better to do. I don't really want to join the Signore Formendacil bandwagon (although, mama mia, if he does turn out to be a wolf that will be awkward). I'm even less comfortable with the Signore Glirdan campaign. WARNING: Vote under pressure and may change with little warning. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

07-02-2006, 02:58 PM	#11
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Oops. Sorry. Glirdan voted Formendacil (Formendacil 1) Macalaure voted Nogrod(Formendacil 1, Nogrod 1,) Mormegil voted Glirdan (Formendacil 1, Glidan 1, Nogrod 1) Roa voted Formendacil (Formendacil 2, Glirdan 1, Nogrod 1) Eomer voted Mormegil (Formendacil 2, Glirdan 1, Mormegil 1, Nogrod 1) Kitanna voted Glirdan (Formendacil 2, Glirdan 2, Mormegil 1, Nogrod 1 ) Valier voted Formendacil (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 2, Mormegil 1 Nogrod 1) Kuru voted Eomer (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 2, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Nogrod 1) Jenny voted Kuru (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 2, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Kuru 1,Nogrod 1 ) Formendacil voted Glirdan (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 3, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Kuru 1, Nogrod ) Nogrod voted Kitanna (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 3, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Kuru 1, Kitanna 1, Nogrod 1) Mithalwen voted Glirdan (Formendacil 3, Glirdan 4, Mormegil 1, Eomer 1, Kuru 1, Kitanna 1, Nogrod 1) Any other mistakes That makes a lot more sense now. I was wondering why Formendacil declared himself and thought it a bit foolish. Anyway most of the thoughts stay the same. Mithalwen still could be a wolf knowing that she was 'saving' the seer to kill an innocent, either way it was sixes for the wolves because they get to kill the seer at day or night. Oh, I challenge the wolves to have the courage to leave me alive for at least one more day. Unless you fear a challenge. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

07-03-2006, 08:13 AM	#13
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Mith: Gee, she posts a lot. However, most are short. #26, #27, #28 The middle one makes almost no sense. First is a day 1 defense. Attacks analyses. Uhoh. Nothing jumps out at me. I agree with Noggie on Mith: when she's calm, she's probably innocent. Gifted or Wolvish she gets jumpy. However, she's really made no contributions, and despite the fact that she seems to have found more time, none of the promised explanation of her suspicions is forthcoming. #41 Says she's here, nothing else relevant. #48 Says she's uneasy about Form. First thing to a concrete contribution we've received. Explanation, of course, would be too much to ask. #60 Vote for Noggie, retracted to Glirdan. The retraction is clear, but why Noggie? only mention or interaction you've had with Noggie is joking about football vs. tennis. Skipping the shouting, on to day 2. #83, #84 There were reasons for Noggie? Great! Will you repost them? Apparently not. 84 seems merely to be clarification. Mith really feels fairly innocent...but then...why no reasoning, thoughts, input? She's on my suspect list, but low on it. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

07-01-2006, 10:33 AM	#1
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	I hate to do this, but I must vote and not much as been said for me to go on since my last post. At least not much to help me make a better choice. ++ Glirdan His jumping on the Form thing is just setting off alarms in my head. I really hoped it wouldn't come to me doing this, but I can't get one again. So I have to go with who I find the most suspicious. But I'm still holding on to my earlier Form/Nogrod/Roa theory from earlier. I think two might be wolves trying to lead us all down a path of their choosing. I don't want to act on this yet, which is why I didn't vote for one of those three. I'm sorry this is all so rushed. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

07-01-2006, 11:19 AM	#2
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Hello, I'm here, the world is ending, and I'm going to sit and read carefully for a while. Don't eat bugs. Glirdan, Morm, and Form all seem perfectly normal to me right now. By which I mean Form is always annoying, Glirdan almost always makes a "random" vote day 1, and Morm always takes it personally that people don't like being told what to do. What worries me is the silence from Valier, whom I think we all know is NOT a silent werewolf player. Does she know we started? __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

07-01-2006, 11:31 AM	#3
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	Sorry villagers!!! I know I have not been too helpful or talkative today, but as I said in the discuss thread today is a very special day for some of us.... Thank you Noggie dear for having confidence in me and my feelings. I may be back before the vote, but I may not,so today is not a good feeling day for me, but I promise tomorrow I shall get busy catching us some wolves. I will read over what has been posted before I vote and hopefully be able to post a baddie, not baddie list today. Oh Hi Jenny!! I'm here, but not for long. Sorry 'bout the quietness __________________ grand return?........

07-01-2006, 12:12 PM	#4
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	Baddies Kuru Eomer Form Morm Roa Mith Goodies Kitanna Jenny Noggie Mac Me Glirdan Sorry I don't have time for my thoughts on each. I may be back to change my vote, I may not. ++Formendabras (Form) His first Day rants are always a good cover for a Wolf. __________________ grand return?........

07-01-2006, 12:36 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Why do these football matches have to go to overtime & penalty shoot-outs all the time? (And have both metaphysically & poetically the "wrong results"!) And it greatly distracts werewolf-playing... A quick one first. Kitanna has made me quite alarmed of her. Her way of bringing this quite ungrounded (surely it's thinkable) "loose theory" of Form, Roa & myself just in passing (but repeated) - and in the end not acting on it, but taking the "safe vote" for Glirdy seems quite wolvish to me. So she wishes to cast suspicion over some active players (Roa and me) linking them with somene who has been suspected already (Form), and then actually votes for another largely suspected one (Glirdy), cleaning her tracks nicely. Back soon as I get to read a few things more carefully. EDIT: X-posted with a couple of posts __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-01-2006, 12:44 PM	#8
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Sorry for the double..didn't want to edit. I think the Formendacil campaign is borderline madness. I really don't see him as a wolf but rather as plain old Formen Day 1 hater and active at telling us so. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

07-03-2006, 09:15 AM	#14
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Currently I am going to give Eomer the benefit of my doubt. His response to Nogrod was decent enough to stay my vote. However, I would recommend not forgetting him and keeping him under a microscope, so to speak. Valier still doesn't sit well with me. I've learned that ususally it's not the people who look the most guilty that are indeed guilty, wish that I had heeded that advice on Glirdan...you know the greatest thing about being a known innocent is I can say anything I want without any worry ++Valier I will likely be back and may change my vote but in case I don't get back I wanted to get my vote out there. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

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