The Fellowship of the Fourth Age (Part 1): A New Beginning Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 08-10-2006, 01:25 PM

Do I have it right if I think that basically nothing has happened with the slave-refugees?

So they are still confused after the attack of the slavers and their own internal polemics?

Bad that Durelin is not here now.

I thought of making a post for Hadith, but I'll just have to be careful with it, I suppose.

Would it sound reasonable enough that f.ex. Beloan would put Hadith to guard on a hill nearby if they can't continue for a while because of the wounded?

And surely the writing with the slaves has ended at some early morning hours, so should we try to write them also to the evening now? I thought that the FS would meet them (the slaves) with the children at the early hours of the day and fight against the slavers the next night - raiding their camp after that (and then meeting the orcs)...

Do the slaves come up with their own plan of making a defence (and traps) for the night or do we wait for the fellowship to give them the ideas? Or should they try to run farther away when there still is a whole day in front of them?

And when should the orcs come to the stage? It seems now that they first meet the fellowship alone trying to free the two children... not the FS and the slaves together as they come to attack the slaver-camp? So is the FS's rescue-operation now a day late?

Sorry, but the time away from the story has raised these issues of small confusion.

Nogrod · 08-10-2006, 02:07 PM

I have tried to arrange the timelines in my head to have some understanding about them.

If I'm wrong, please correct me.

So, if we call the night when the slavers attack the refugees and take their captives as Night1, we should get the following scenario...

Night1
- slavers attack the refugees and take two children with them
- orcs raid the slaver camp after the slavers have come back at the last hours of the night
(late night / early morning: Ishkur argued against Gwerr for not running away from the slavers because it was getting bright already
the same night: slavers would not waste two whole days + one night not to attack the refugees a second time - and surely not before as at least Grask had noticed the children)

Late night / Early morning1
- refugees have their internal tensions flaring with Johari & Eirnar protesting + the trio caught up stealing weapons

Day1
- slaves caring about their wounded
- slavers making ready for a raid on the refugees the next night
- orcs sleeping

Night2
- slavers attack the refugees again
- slaves: have they any defences? have they prepared? have they any help? (what have they done the whole day?)
- orcs hitting the slaver camp again for more loot as they see the slavers leave the camp for their raid on the refugees

Would that be the scenario without the fellowship's influence over matters? Now where indeed the FS comes to the play?

My first impression was that the FS scouts would free the children something like early morning1 and then the FS & the children would meet the refugees on day1 - and build the traps against the slavers on day1 - to execute them on night2 as the slavers attack. Then they all would check the slaver camp on night2 / early morning2, after the battle, to meet the orcs there...

Durelin · 08-10-2006, 11:42 PM

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Do I have it right if I think that basically nothing has happened with the slave-refugees?

So they are still confused after the attack of the slavers and their own internal polemics?

Well, essentially, their internal issues plus the fact that they have wounded to take care of keep them from going anywhere. The wounded are the main factor, and are the main reason Khamir lets things go for a little while (well, at least that's the reason he tells himself). They'd have to leave the wounded behind and people to care for them, but they're not about ready to split up...it actually takes a well-organized, tightly knit group to do that successfully.

As for the timeline... I was thinking the slavers were planning a raid for Day 2, because they will be dealing with other disturbances that night - both the Fellowship rescue and the Orcs once again plundering from their camp. So, the Fellowship would actually be rescuing on Night 2 (the Night of Day 1). I am perhaps forgetting the plot outline completely right now. My brain is mostly mush after so many hours in an airplane and in a car, with a timezone switch thrown in... (Speaking of which, if anyone would like to see pretty pictures from Grand Teton National Park and Yellowstone, PM me and I'd be glad to share when I get all the good ones uploaded.

I even have bear pictures!

)

Sorry to everyone for my traveling and my net difficulties! I'll do my best to work on a post (or two) tomorrow (it's getting close to midnight here, so I'll have to shoot for that).

Child of the 7th Age · 08-11-2006, 01:24 AM

Imak’s sword is missing.
Orcs agree to make one last raid after dark before clearing out.
Vrór and Carl spy on the slavers and develop a plan.
The fellowship rescues the kids at night and kills several baddies to even the odds. Orcs raid the slavers’ camp at virtually the same time.
Imak deals with both disturbances, rides out but then turns back at the slave camp, vowing revenge.
The fellowship triumphantly enters the slave camp with the children.
The good guys must decide whether to flee immediately, or to stand their ground since there is certain to be an attack the next night.
Orcs learn of the slavers’ plans for an outside assault and decide to stick another night to help themselves to more goodies, since there will be no one in camp.
Fellowship/slaves set up a number of tricks as discussed on this thread, e.g, nets, trenches, decoys.
Slaves victorious in battle. They decide to march the six miles back to the slavers camp to reap their rewards.
The orcs are discovered---this still has to be worked out

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As my own balliwick is more the fellowship and orcs, I will leave most of the details of the slave plot to Durelin. But it may help if I post our general outline. See above....

This is my understanding based on the outline and the story. We have completed #1-#3 and will be taking on #4 shortly. This is the fellowship's second day in Mordor, and they have only slept a few hours the night before. It is turning towards evening now of their second day and the fellowship will attack at night. An orc raid will take place at about the same time. I would suspect the fellowship will arrive back at the slave camp in the dead of night, perhaps a few hours after midnight.

Just a reminder....While the Dwarf and Hobbit were spying on the slavers camp in the day, Imak sent out a spy to the slave camp. See below and my italics. Since the slaves are not moving anywhere, Imak would decide to attack the following night....that would be the night after the fellowship's rescue of the children.

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"We will ride against the slaves," Imak snarled. "Those thieves not only stole our mounts but the finest sword in this camp. I will retrieve that weapon and personally cut off the head of whoever did this. The rest of them will be dragged off in chains and taken back to the plantation."

"Gurug, come here." He jerked a finger at one of the men. "You will ride this morning to the slave camp. find out what's happening, and then come back. If the slaves are packing to move, we will strike at them immediately. If they dally, we will wait till the following night. There is much to do to prepare....."

Imak will understand that you can't get a group as large as that moving without some preparation. Since the slaves aren't making prepatations to leaves, Imak will know there's no way they could get off the next morning. This is why he feels "safe" delaying his attack. After the fellowship's theft of the children, Imak's resolve will double but his plan will remain the same....to attack the slaves the next night, just as he had originally proposed.

Don't know if this makes sense---my brain is also spaced out---but this is how we originally laid things out.

Child of the 7th Age · 08-11-2006, 01:49 AM

Save filled...short and to the point. Pio - feel free to use Aiwendil to agree to whatever scheme you're concocting.

After that, I'll do a post that will get the fellowship out of camp and heading towards the tunnel.

piosenniel · 08-12-2006, 12:24 AM

Will do in the a.m.

~*~ Pio

piosenniel · 08-12-2006, 12:14 PM

SAVE filled - Rôg has proposed the outline of a plan to Aiwendil, leaving much room for improvisation as needed.

08-10-2006, 02:07 PM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I have tried to arrange the timelines in my head to have some understanding about them. If I'm wrong, please correct me. So, if we call the night when the slavers attack the refugees and take their captives as Night1, we should get the following scenario... Night1 - slavers attack the refugees and take two children with them - orcs raid the slaver camp after the slavers have come back at the last hours of the night (late night / early morning: Ishkur argued against Gwerr for not running away from the slavers because it was getting bright already the same night: slavers would not waste two whole days + one night not to attack the refugees a second time - and surely not before as at least Grask had noticed the children) Late night / Early morning1 - refugees have their internal tensions flaring with Johari & Eirnar protesting + the trio caught up stealing weapons Day1 - slaves caring about their wounded - slavers making ready for a raid on the refugees the next night - orcs sleeping Night2 - slavers attack the refugees again - slaves: have they any defences? have they prepared? have they any help? (what have they done the whole day?) - orcs hitting the slaver camp again for more loot as they see the slavers leave the camp for their raid on the refugees Would that be the scenario without the fellowship's influence over matters? Now where indeed the FS comes to the play? My first impression was that the FS scouts would free the children something like early morning1 and then the FS & the children would meet the refugees on day1 - and build the traps against the slavers on day1 - to execute them on night2 as the slavers attack. Then they all would check the slaver camp on night2 / early morning2, after the battle, to meet the orcs there... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 08-10-2006 at 02:19 PM.

08-11-2006, 01:49 AM	#5
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Save filled...short and to the point. Pio - feel free to use Aiwendil to agree to whatever scheme you're concocting. After that, I'll do a post that will get the fellowship out of camp and heading towards the tunnel. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

08-12-2006, 12:24 AM	#6
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Will do in the a.m. ~*~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

08-12-2006, 12:14 PM	#7
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	SAVE filled - Rôg has proposed the outline of a plan to Aiwendil, leaving much room for improvisation as needed. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

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08-10-2006, 01:25 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Do I have it right if I think that basically nothing has happened with the slave-refugees? So they are still confused after the attack of the slavers and their own internal polemics? Bad that Durelin is not here now. I thought of making a post for Hadith, but I'll just have to be careful with it, I suppose. Would it sound reasonable enough that f.ex. Beloan would put Hadith to guard on a hill nearby if they can't continue for a while because of the wounded? And surely the writing with the slaves has ended at some early morning hours, so should we try to write them also to the evening now? I thought that the FS would meet them (the slaves) with the children at the early hours of the day and fight against the slavers the next night - raiding their camp after that (and then meeting the orcs)... Do the slaves come up with their own plan of making a defence (and traps) for the night or do we wait for the fellowship to give them the ideas? Or should they try to run farther away when there still is a whole day in front of them? And when should the orcs come to the stage? It seems now that they first meet the fellowship alone trying to free the two children... not the FS and the slaves together as they come to attack the slaver-camp? So is the FS's rescue-operation now a day late? Sorry, but the time away from the story has raised these issues of small confusion. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 08-10-2006 at 02:18 PM.