Survivor : All Star

[mormegil]

Ah yes. I think that you must be. In what way does Alf have a rags to riches story? He was King of Faerie, for goodness sake. Can't get much more aristocratic than that. And I like my aristocrats (and my Faerie inhabitants) to have character. Merry has more in his little finger than Alf.

SpM how dare you? You think that somebody won't rebute this arguement and that you can manipulate those who have not read it into believing this. Alf did not start as king. No he was a boy of little consequence in a small village of little consequence who became a prentice to the master cook then became king. How is that not a rags to riches story?

Merry on the other hand was born into wealth by hobbit standards and a family of power and influence yet he did little with it.

Alf was humble about all his experiences and fortunes, Merry however flaunted his riches to his final days and tried to usurp that of others. He is a thief and that's a fact! He stole from Saruman and then flaunted Saruman's own pipe weed when he was a beggar. He taunted a poor old beggar man that had been cruelly defeated and stripped of any dignity by trees.

[Gil-Galad]

well i started this bandwagon so i might as well ride it out

++Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie

[Kuruharan]

Never let it be said that I am inconsistent, particularly during those times when I am inconsistent.

However, this is not one of those times.

++Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by morm

Alf did not start as king. No he was a boy of little consequence in a small village of little consequence who became a prentice to the master cook then became king. How is that not a rags to riches story?

Actually, he was King all along. But who cares? He's boring.

You make Merry sound rather exciting, though. All the more reason to keep him.

[Diamond18]

SPM is right, morm -- Alf was the King all along and the persona of Alf the Prentice was just an alias. A disguise. If you'll remember, Master Cook Rider went on travels and came back with Alf, he was not from the village and no one knew his history or parentage.

And Firefoot, "prentice" does indeed mean "apprentice" as Alf's role was the apprentice to Master Cook Rider. This was all a ruse more or less so that he could plant a magic star in a cake.

But you bring up something interesting about the whole anti minor works crusade. It's really kind of shameful the way that people are touting their ignorance as if it's something to be proud of. I mean, really, and you call yourselves Tolkien fans? Really! You won't even bother to read his minor works? I encourage everyone here to think twice before jumping to say "I haven't read them so I don't care." It's like saying, "I only listen to what's on Top 40 radio" or "I believe everything I see on TV."

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I personally wouldn't mind seeing Alf go, but right about now I'm feeling that it's my duty as the MWS moderator to stand up for the Tolkien that isn't LotR/Silm/Hobbit. The stuff only real fans have bothered to read.

So, let's get rid of a megalomaniac who would be the first to jump on an anti minor works bandwagon:

+ + Sauron

Maybe games like these should be incentive to become more knowledgable about the world of Tolkien, eh? Vote not in ingnorance, my friends.

[mormegil]

*psst* Diamond hush up and help me on this ruse okay!

Well I was hoping that only Saucie would contradict my story but alas it wasn't to be, but at least he's mysterious and people like that.

[Diamond18]

Well, morm, if you change your vote from Merry to Sauron, that'll be 3 votes for Sauron, making the score:

Alf -- 6
Sauron -- 3
Merry -- 2

If I change my vote it'll be Merry 3 and Sauron 2. However I dislike the idea of voting Merry here because Sauron is quite clearly more at odds with Alf than Merry is. He stands for all that is boring about stomping on the little guys and ignoring what's too small to merit his observation (read: anti minor works crusade) whereas Merry as a hobbit is too closely aligned to the overlooked end of things.

By the by, Bb, how about changing your vote to Sauron, eh? Merry may be part of the hobbit upper class, but compared to the self proclaimed Lord of the Rings, well....