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Firefoot · 08-22-2006, 02:10 PM

Am I the only one to think that once a character has won once, s/he shouldn't be doing so again? If that's the case, Tar-Miriel, Smaug, and Chrysophylax are due to go...

Even though it doesn't seem like anyone but Gandalf is likely to go today...

++Osse

He's a bit of a vindictive brat, if you know what I mean. You'd think he'd be happy to work with Ulmo... but no...

littlemanpoet · 08-22-2006, 03:17 PM

Still to early for wizards, dragons, and ancient ancestors. Minor deities are however a dime a dozen.

++ Osse

I certainly do NOT, however, adhere to the theory that if someone has won before s/he should not win again. If they're good, they're good!

Rune Son of Bjarne · 08-22-2006, 03:32 PM

++Osse

I am sure that it was his idea to make the sea salty. . .

Meneltarmacil · 08-22-2006, 04:19 PM

++Osse

Gandalf can't be voted off the island! Save the wizard!

Nogrod · 08-22-2006, 04:24 PM

Just to make a few points about Ossë:

1) As stated in Valaquenta: "He does not go in the deeps" - so he's superficial?
2) He may be loved by the mariners or those at the mercy of the sea eg. the Numenorians (forcefully, by one's own interests to mainly save oneself from his unpredictability?), but is not trusted because of his random rage.
3) He was lured by Melkor and caused much harm but then became soothed by his wife's bidding.

So Ossë is someone with nasty or selfish predilections but no strength to hold a mind of his own, an opportunistic Maia just trying to please others around him and maximise his comfort and the lack of risks while striving to personal power and worship.

A more powerful Wormtongue, I say! And anyhow, a weak personality not worthy of winning this competition...

++ Ossë

mormegil · 08-22-2006, 05:12 PM

There is another dangerous voting block forming, what is wrong with Osse? He's unpredictable? Great! Better to entertain. What does Gandalf do? He's drab, and mutters to himself idly all day long, his beard is overly long, and absolutely no sex appeal. However Osse is perfect because all the guys want to be him and the girls think that they can change him.

Kuruharan · 08-22-2006, 06:47 PM

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However Osse is perfect because all the guys want to be him and the girls think that they can change him.

I think I can hear seething rage forming this very moment.

Best do everything I can to stoke it and make it last longer...

++ Gandalf

Glirdan · 08-22-2006, 08:01 PM

I have to agree with morm on this. Having Osse around could provide major entertainment. He's fiesty, he once had an evil side and so many other qualities. I say keep the fiesty around and get rid of the uncloaker.

Bêthberry · 08-23-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Minor deities are however a dime a dozen.

How true. Let's get him off this island before he offs this island in a tsunami of religious extremism.

+ + OSSE

Volo · 08-23-2006, 10:39 AM

How could anyone wan't to get rid of Gandalf? He's one of the greatest characters in Tolkien's works. Just the whole idea of a wizard is so magnificent... It's not his fault that somebody made a bad joke about him anyway... (...I'm again siding with other people, not like me...) So, to protect Gandalf for atleast this one day. I wote Osse down!

++Osse

mormegil · 08-23-2006, 10:53 AM

Gandalf was a bigger failure than Frodo! What did he do that actually worked that he can claim was his work? He didn't defeat a balrog...the balrog defeated himself. He really didn't do much at Helm's Deep except to come and get the stragglers. The Hurons really did the work their. He failed with Boromir and let him loose himself. He, instead of lending his aid, let four unaware hobbits take on ruffians and an ex-wizard who still had some power, why risk it? Just be done with it. He failed Frodo in that he wasn't there to aid him and were it not for Samwise, who sadly isn't in the mix, the entire quest would have failed. The only thing that Gandalf did that wasn't a failure was his fireworks.

Bêthberry · 08-23-2006, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mormegil

The only thing that Gandalf did that wasn't a failure was his fireworks.

Ooohhh! Fireworks! Every bored survivor on a mundane island needs fireworks to keep up the spirits. Best reason for keeping the Grey One around.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-23-2006, 11:54 AM

Maybe we could bring on the Chief Warg and Squiggy. That's, like, ratings bonanza!

(Incidentally, Morm, hilarious episode that.)

mormegil · 08-23-2006, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Ooohhh! Fireworks! Every bored survivor on a mundane island needs fireworks to keep up the spirits. Best reason for keeping the Grey One around.

Yes but over two straight weeks of the stuff it becomes rather drab and dull. This one trick pony should be taken for zoo meat and to the glue factory.

08-22-2006, 04:19 PM	#4
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	++Osse Gandalf can't be voted off the island! Save the wizard! __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

08-22-2006, 04:24 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Just to make a few points about Ossë: 1) As stated in Valaquenta: "He does not go in the deeps" - so he's superficial? 2) He may be loved by the mariners or those at the mercy of the sea eg. the Numenorians (forcefully, by one's own interests to mainly save oneself from his unpredictability?), but is not trusted because of his random rage. 3) He was lured by Melkor and caused much harm but then became soothed by his wife's bidding. So Ossë is someone with nasty or selfish predilections but no strength to hold a mind of his own, an opportunistic Maia just trying to please others around him and maximise his comfort and the lack of risks while striving to personal power and worship. A more powerful Wormtongue, I say! And anyhow, a weak personality not worthy of winning this competition... ++ Ossë __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

08-22-2006, 05:12 PM	#6
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	There is another dangerous voting block forming, what is wrong with Osse? He's unpredictable? Great! Better to entertain. What does Gandalf do? He's drab, and mutters to himself idly all day long, his beard is overly long, and absolutely no sex appeal. However Osse is perfect because all the guys want to be him and the girls think that they can change him. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

08-22-2006, 08:01 PM	#8
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	I have to agree with morm on this. Having Osse around could provide major entertainment. He's fiesty, he once had an evil side and so many other qualities. I say keep the fiesty around and get rid of the uncloaker. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

08-23-2006, 10:39 AM	#10
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	How could anyone wan't to get rid of Gandalf? He's one of the greatest characters in Tolkien's works. Just the whole idea of a wizard is so magnificent... It's not his fault that somebody made a bad joke about him anyway... (...I'm again siding with other people, not like me...) So, to protect Gandalf for atleast this one day. I wote Osse down! ++Osse __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

08-22-2006, 02:10 PM	#1
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Am I the only one to think that once a character has won once, s/he shouldn't be doing so again? If that's the case, Tar-Miriel, Smaug, and Chrysophylax are due to go... Even though it doesn't seem like anyone but Gandalf is likely to go today... ++Osse He's a bit of a vindictive brat, if you know what I mean. You'd think he'd be happy to work with Ulmo... but no...

08-22-2006, 03:17 PM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Still to early for wizards, dragons, and ancient ancestors. Minor deities are however a dime a dozen. ++ Osse I certainly do NOT, however, adhere to the theory that if someone has won before s/he should not win again. If they're good, they're good!

08-23-2006, 10:53 AM	#11
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Gandalf was a bigger failure than Frodo! What did he do that actually worked that he can claim was his work? He didn't defeat a balrog...the balrog defeated himself. He really didn't do much at Helm's Deep except to come and get the stragglers. The Hurons really did the work their. He failed with Boromir and let him loose himself. He, instead of lending his aid, let four unaware hobbits take on ruffians and an ex-wizard who still had some power, why risk it? Just be done with it. He failed Frodo in that he wasn't there to aid him and were it not for Samwise, who sadly isn't in the mix, the entire quest would have failed. The only thing that Gandalf did that wasn't a failure was his fireworks. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

08-23-2006, 11:54 AM	#13
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Maybe we could bring on the Chief Warg and Squiggy. That's, like, ratings bonanza! (Incidentally, Morm, hilarious episode that.) __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

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