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Kuruharan · 08-31-2006, 05:59 PM

++ Thorondor

I find it curious that people are saying that they don't know anything about Chrysophylax and defending characters like Smaug and Thorondor about which we really know rather less. Smaug's claim to fame seems to rest entirely on the fact that he was in The Hobbit, specifically two chapters. He only had a few aspects of his personality developed.

We know nothing about what Thorondor was like. I'm still puzzled about why he was included in the first place.

Chrysophylax was basically the subject of an entire story and had multiple facets of his personality developed.

It seems to me that the people who are saying that we don't "know" anything about Chrysophylax are either A) betraying their woeful ignorance of Farmer Giles of Ham (and, in fact, might have never read it) or B) are being thoroughly dishonest and hypocritical.

Firefoot · 08-31-2006, 06:06 PM

I have never denied never having read most of the minor works. When I say "I don't really know anything about him" I mean just that: I personally don't, even if the information is out there.

Kuruharan · 08-31-2006, 06:38 PM

Then your reasoning is vacuous because you are relying on your own ignorance and apathy to guide your vote. You have no conviction or knowledge about the subject toward which you are purporting to contribute.

The Only Real Estel · 08-31-2006, 07:10 PM

++ Thorondor

Strange that many of us were saying he was the most boring Survivor character to ever get this far - what? Two rounds (days, whatever) ago?

I'm all for evening things up, but even an admittedly-not-as-vicious-as-most-dragon is more exciting than a boring air ride without the peanuts and Dr. Pepper.

Meneltarmacil · 08-31-2006, 07:30 PM

Meh. The more dragons, the merrier.

--Chrysophylax Dives

++Thorondor

Gil-Galad · 08-31-2006, 07:32 PM

aye menel, aye

--Gimli

++Thorondor

The Only Real Estel · 08-31-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Meh. The more dragons, the merrier.

Well I suppose.

I'm not starting a "Save-Chrysophylax-Dives!" campaign (though he happens to be the main vote-getter right now).

I will fully admit, however, to trying to restart a "Get-Thorondor-the-Hell-Out-of-Here!" campaign.

Celuien · 08-31-2006, 07:43 PM

Very well then.

++ THORONDOR

Diamond18 · 08-31-2006, 07:59 PM

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Dragons don't fly!

Have you read Tolkien?

Because his dragons fly.

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It's too easy to say that Smaug is stereotypical character if Smaug is one of the monuments who has created that stereotype!

Smaug did not create the stereotype. Really, Nogrod, this is quite the ignorant statement.

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The merit of which is...? How being a fool makes you worthy of recognition? Do what you're good at, I say. Be what you are.

So in that case, everyone who has gone on an adventure in Tolkien's works is a fool. Bilbo, Frodo, Sam... well let's just say the whole Fellowship were a a bunch of idiots.

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Nice little fairy-dragon, now aren't we? So cute indeed? What's the point of a consiliatory dragon? Being nice enough to serve the morning TV-cartoons that are there only for the adds?

This doesn't describe Chrysophlyax any more than saying dragons don't fly does. He was smart and canny, that's not the same as cute, nice, or consiliatory. Just because someone brought up Puff earlier doesn't mean it's an accurate comparison.

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And living in the end? What measure of character is that? The dead (or irretrievably gone) will bring forwards our emotions, not the ordinary "survivors" of the everyday... This is all stars!

That's a matter of opinion. Personally I find the ability to stay alive is a better measure of a true survivor than someone who gets killed because he just had to go out and flame the town.

However, whether you think Smaug is better than Chrysi or not is kind of beside the point, since

+ + THORONDOR

is still around.

Celuien · 08-31-2006, 08:02 PM

As the author of that comparison to Puff, I would like to point out that it was pure silliness in the spirit of Mirth, and meant to point out that not all dragons are evil. Not to say that Chrysi was Puff, which is, of course, absurd.

Firefoot · 08-31-2006, 08:44 PM

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Then your reasoning is vacuous because you are relying on your own ignorance and apathy to guide your vote. You have no conviction or knowledge about the subject toward which you are purporting to contribute.

So what's the alternative - to rely on others' opinions? That would totally defeat the purpose of playing in the first place if I didn't go by my own opinions. Ignorance? Maybe. Apathy? No. I do care. And I don't want a character that I'd never heard of prior to this game to win - that is my conviction. Sorry. Maybe it is "my fault" that I've never heard of them, if fault it can be called. But it is what it is.

Yes, some of us might be voting off MW characters just because that's what they are. But saying we can't or shouldn't is pretty much saying we shouldn't be voting at all unless we've read the Minor Works. And I don't think that's right. There was a reason I didn't participate in the Minor Works Suvivor. Maybe I'm just tired and reading too much into it, and maybe it's all just part of the game, but that's not really the impression that I'm getting right now (and it's not just you, Kuru).

And I fail to see how "I've never heard of them" is a worse argument than "his name sounds funny," "just to save a different character," or the like. Fine. If those are better, I'm voting Chysophylax because I have to think to hard to spell his name and because the Eagles are cool so I'd like Thorondor to stick around.

littlemanpoet · 08-31-2006, 08:45 PM

++ Gimli

He is quite simply outclassed by the others.

08-31-2006, 05:59 PM	#1
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,594	++ Thorondor I find it curious that people are saying that they don't know anything about Chrysophylax and defending characters like Smaug and Thorondor about which we really know rather less. Smaug's claim to fame seems to rest entirely on the fact that he was in The Hobbit, specifically two chapters. He only had a few aspects of his personality developed. We know nothing about what Thorondor was like. I'm still puzzled about why he was included in the first place. Chrysophylax was basically the subject of an entire story and had multiple facets of his personality developed. It seems to me that the people who are saying that we don't "know" anything about Chrysophylax are either A) betraying their woeful ignorance of Farmer Giles of Ham (and, in fact, might have never read it) or B) are being thoroughly dishonest and hypocritical. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

08-31-2006, 06:38 PM	#3
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,594	Then your reasoning is vacuous because you are relying on your own ignorance and apathy to guide your vote. You have no conviction or knowledge about the subject toward which you are purporting to contribute. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

08-31-2006, 07:30 PM	#5
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	Meh. The more dragons, the merrier. --Chrysophylax Dives ++Thorondor __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

08-31-2006, 07:32 PM	#6
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	aye menel, aye --Gimli ++Thorondor __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

08-31-2006, 07:43 PM	#8
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Very well then. ++ THORONDOR __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

08-31-2006, 06:06 PM	#2
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I have never denied never having read most of the minor works. When I say "I don't really know anything about him" I mean just that: I personally don't, even if the information is out there.

08-31-2006, 07:10 PM	#4
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	++ Thorondor Strange that many of us were saying he was the most boring Survivor character to ever get this far - what? Two rounds (days, whatever) ago? I'm all for evening things up, but even an admittedly-not-as-vicious-as-most-dragon is more exciting than a boring air ride without the peanuts and Dr. Pepper.

08-31-2006, 08:02 PM	#10
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	As the author of that comparison to Puff, I would like to point out that it was pure silliness in the spirit of Mirth, and meant to point out that not all dragons are evil. Not to say that Chrysi was Puff, which is, of course, absurd. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

08-31-2006, 08:45 PM	#12
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	++ Gimli He is quite simply outclassed by the others.

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