WWJ XI: When World's Collide

[Boromir88]

" 'Ere's how I see things right now, and as far as who I won't be voting for today, unless if some unforseen reason appears, Macalaure, Nogrod, Thinlomien, Valier, and Naria.

'Mac and Nogrod because of their votes for a known wolf. Now we can throw around insane ideas about wolf-on-wolf votes, but bottom line is Day 1 there's no reason for wolves to do this. Losing a wolf on Day 1 is not something they want to do as it starts them off on the wrong foot and gets them behind. If anything, that's something I would suspect wolves would want not to happen, there simply is no logical reasoning to send out a suicide wolf on Day 1. If a buddies death become apparent, then it's more likely, but it being Day 1, with very spread out and tight voting, there simply is no reason to lynch a fellow wolf. If any vote would have been a wolf-on-wolf vote, it would likely have been the first one, as perhaps they would think that it wouldn't amount to their buddies lynching, but I severely doubt this is the case. Mac announced his suspicions on the very odd acting Menel, knew that there were at least two others that noticed this very thing, so I doubt that if he was a wolf he would have voted for a fellow wolf. Same for Nogrod, at this time there were still several people left to vote, voting was spread out and tight, no reason to lynch a fellow wolf and start off on the bad foot.

'Thinlomien and Naria because of Menel trying to point suspicion towards them. This was the very behaviour that I and others noted as strange in Menel, as it looked like he was trying to incriminate people without really incriminating them (or getting his stinky paws filthy) With these two, their innocence isn't as strong of a feeling as Mac and Nogrod's, but at least for today there's no reason as far as why I should consider them as wolves. And I also agree with the observation made by our stablehand:

"No, they're just not on the top of my suspicion list, or close to it. I concentrate on other people unless the menel-lynchers do something alarming."

'I'm never fond of conjuring up crazy what-if theories, I think that gets us too off our focus as far as what blatantly is wolfish and what 'crazy possibilities' wolves may try. Though those whacky possibilities are fun, it tends to lead us off focus from those who are blatantly making wolf slip-ups, and so if there's no reason to see why someone looks suspicious, there's no reason for me to consider voting for them, or conjuring up these whacky 'what if one of them was a wolf-on-wolf vote.'

'Valier because of Menel's vote for her. It's possible that Menel saw his death coming so cast a vote for a fellow wolf to throw everyone's suspicion off Valier. But is it also not as equally possible that Menel was doing that to get us all thinking that he was voting for a fellow wolf, but really we'd be lynching an innocent instead? Anyway, what I'm saying is again, I'm not fond of these reverse psychology wolf tricks, and will not base my suspicions purely off some cooky scenario I've concocted.'

'So that means my vote will most likely be going to one of these people today...Valesse, Diamond, Volo, Gil-Galad, Sleepy Ranger, or Kath. I'll be back with what I've thought about these fellow villagers or possible wolves in disguise later. For now, I must be going. But before I go, a special congrats to our Seer for surviving the Night...yes I just had to be the demented guy that brings up the Seer and sparks a big debate...I'm sorry it just wouldn't be truly Werewolf without it. But for now, there's a body to be found."

Edit: Cross-posted with Nogrod and Mac.

[Nogrod]

From between his wild and psychotic dreams Nogrod somehow heard Boromir talking. First he just let it flow through, but then he heard his list of suspicion:

Valesse, Diamond, Volo, Gil-Galad, Sleepy Ranger, or Kath

"Ditto!" he shouted and then fell down to his chair again, mumbling something about Volo making it a bit better this day.

Then it was just black.

[Kath]

Kath entered more slowly this time, having realised she’d run over the tree roots of an Ent the Day before as she heard the hrrrming following her, and not wanting to do it again. Not many people were up and about yet, but it seemed that the wolves had taken another, literally. Quietly Kath went up to the bar. Wilwa didn’t seem to be around but she didn’t want a drink anyway. Reaching behind the counter she pulled out a small brightly coloured bird and went to sit at a table with it. She took out a pen and paper and knocked the bird on the head sharply with the pen. As though this was a cue, it began to talk, and what it said was what everyone had said all of yesterday, for it was a trained parrot and had recorded all the events. Listening intently Kath began to jot down notes. Eventually the parrot finished speaking and Kath returned it to it’s position behind the bar so it could continue recording todays words, though she hoped she’d be around to hear them herself this time.

Standing up she took her piece of paper and called out to the room.

“Excuse me. Excuse me!”

Slowly people turned to look at her and she continued.

“I know some people don’t like summaries, but I’ve made one in case anyone thinks it might be useful. It will be up on the wall by the bar if anyone wants to read it.”

She pinned it up, and this is what it said:

Post 119: Menel went randomly, picking Jenny due to a dice roll. It might explain why the remaining wolves went after her.

Post 120: Gil is remarkably flippant, but that is his way.

Post 121: Boromir suspects Menel. Wolf on wolf suspicion perhaps but I think he cross spoke with Gil, so it may simply have been due to Menel being the only one, in Boro’s opinion, to have spoken.

Post 122: Naria tells Gil to concentrate, and then watches.

Post 123: Menel turns on Boro (explaining his suspicion of Jenny) and Gil. Again possible wolf on wolf, or because they’re the only ones there.

Post 124: Strange speak from Gil, doesn’t tell us anything.

Post 125: Naria wonders where everyone is.

Post 126: Valier rambles and then watches.

Post 127: Lommy looks at Menel, again possible wolf on wolf, mention quick suspicion of him early. Conspicuously doesn’t mention Boro. Mentioning one comrade and not the other perhaps.

Post 128: Mac talks and watches.

Post 130: Lommy jokingly insults Mac and gives stirring speech. But uses the word ‘victims’ which I find odd, as the term ‘fellow innocents’ might be a little more appropriate. As yet only those dead should be termed victims.

Post 131: Lommy votes Naria for picking on those who haven’t spoken when she hasn’t spoken herself. Relatively good reasoning for an early Day 1 vote.

Post 132: Jenny agrees that silent Naria bears some watching.

Post 133: Boro banters with Menel and defends himself against Mac.

Post 134: Di suspects all.

Post 135: Mac asks for chatter not silence, arguing still with Boro.

Post 136: Menel asks for reasons for suspicion from Di and suspects Lommy for jumping on Naria so fast, but says he’ll be happy to look at Naria if Lommy is proved innocent.

Post 137: Gil votes Valier with no reasoning.

Post 138: Jenny argues with Di.

Post 139: Nogrod suspects Menel, even through the drugs. Possibly wolf on wolf (it’s all based on that Menel chose suspicion randomly) but it seems more innocent.

Post 140: Mac suspects Menel. Same point as above.

Post 141: Boro agrees with Mac and acts friendly to Nogrod.

Post 142: Volo yells randomly.

Post 143: Honestly, no idea what the point of this post was!

Post 144: Sleepy talks to himself.

Post 145: Di votes Nogrod based on role. Not a great reason for a vote.

Post 146: Valesse suspects Menel after clearing Valier and Naria of suspicion.

Post 147: Kath arrived, apologised, voted Valesse randomly and left.

Post 148: Valier gets into her role a bit.

Post 149: Boro suspects Di and Menel for accusing based on occupation.

Post 150: Jenny suspects Menel and Valier because they accused her with no reason.

Post 151: Valier votes Di for no reason.

Post 153: Menel repeats his suspicions of Lommy but changes his opinion on Naria, saying she’s innocent. Accuses Mac.

Post 154: Volo defends Nogrod and accuses Kath because she was rushing.

Post 155: Mac suspects Di and Valier, but votes Menel because he thinks he was trying to twist his words.

Post 157: Volo votes Kath because she was so rushed.

Post 158: Nogrod suspects about half the village, but clears Boro and Mac, and partly Jenny and Valesse. Then goes on to seriously suspect Menel. If the Boro/Menel/Nogrod triangle is right, that makes sense.

Post 159: Boro defends his suspicions against Menel.

Post 161: Nogrod debates the benefits of loud versus quiet.

Post 162: Sleepy votes Mac ‘because of the way he has been’. Perhaps some clarification on that would help Sleepy.

Post 163: Boro votes Menel.

Post 165: Votes Menel and says to look at quieter people tomorrow. If he’s a wolf again this makes sense, as he is loud.

Post 166: Valesse votes Naria because she has been silent.

Post 167: Menel votes Valier after going back on all his earlier suspicions, claming they were all jokes. Might be an idea to look at who he suspected in light of that as he might have cleared them to save them being suspected after his death, which he thought was imminent. Course, could be a double bluff.

Post 168: Jenny votes Mac with little reason.

Post 170: Naria votes Lommy, just because. Not good from someone who claimed to have sat and watched all day, some suspicions should have been formed.

[Naria]

Naria's mood went from utter giddiness to an outright fervor. She brushed her clothes straight and cleared her throat as she walked over toNogrod and splashed a huge mug of water on his face. "Wake up man! You complain of how I am of no help...well sir, look at you....always smokin the pot and poppin the pills and washing it all down with a stiff cooler. Hmph, I do say isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, or however that term goes. We need you to stay around us with a clear head...I know it must be awfully hard for you, but maybe give it a go."

Before Naria was done with her rant she had a couple more things to say, "Oh yeah, there are a couple more things I'd like to say. I believe their very well could have been a wolf on wolf vote yesterDay, I mean why not weirder things have happened. The second thing is, Kath why put something up like this without a personal thought on your summary at the bottom or something? I just don't find them very helpful and actually they make me think that the one that has posted it is just trying to look helpful when really they aren't" With that she plunked herself down and spotted some more spamcakes and dug in.

[Kath]

Kath had been expecting this kind of reaction. Standing up she spoke directly to Naria.

"Naria, if you'll notice, I made personal opinions all the way through. Or at least, I made them where I thought they deserved to be made. If you wish me to spell it out clearly I find Nogrod, Lommy and Boromir suspicious because the way they treated Menel and Menel treated them looks to me like it could have been carefully choreographed. I want to keep an eye on them today and see if my suspicions increase or decrease as the days go by."

She made to sit down again, but had another thought.

"Oh, and it's nice to see you taking a more active role. While I don't hold with the theory that quiet means evil, I seem to recall you voting rather suddenly and randomly yesterday, so more input would be lovely."

[Boromir88]

Out of the corner Boromir reappears and everyone is startled for a second. "I'm not going to be so harsh sounding on you Kath," he said slowly, "as our Naria is over here. If it's of any comfort to you I actually learned a lot from your summary, Kath. What may not be so comfortable is you have quickly rised up the suspicion chart. You do supply commentary, but it seems rather flawed and like your grasping at straws, which gets my eyebrows raising. Let me explain....

'The biggest is that you note some sort of trio between myself, Nogrod, and Mac, and somehow throw Thinlomien also into the mix. And some how there has been this carefully choreographed fight on Day 1 between the wolves. Now the wolves do start off at an advantage having a whole night to plan their actions, but there's only three wolves, and perhaps I just got confused, but it seems like you are suggesting there is this grand conspiracy with five people (myself, Menel, Thinlomien, Mac, and Nogrod), and over the night the wolves set this up.'

'I'm rather curious as to how you think this is some great choreographing work of wolves. I can't speak for the others, but for myself, I thought I clearly defined my reasoning for suspecting Menel. His play of attacking people based off their occupation left a mark on my mind. I went back and searched through my family's ancient papers, lo and behold my disgruntled great uncle from Dor-lomin, wrote that he spotted a wolf because that person attacked an individual who wasn't the most moral person. That's when it clicked in me, that I'm not too fond of people going after other's occupation as I think it shows a sense of desperancy, to just try and throw suspicion at others because they don't have the same values as you. Which I remarked we're not here to lynch those with lower morals than say you, Kath, but we're here to lynch night killers. And Menel's behaviour greatly reminded me of the affair with my great uncle, which is why I felt suspicious of him.'

'As far as me being in some grand scheme with Menel and four other people. I'm not trying to get connected with anyone, if I happen to agree with you I will say so. I felt like Mac had brought up very reasonable points, as well as Nogrod, and that's why I agreed with them. Perhaps there comes a time where we don't see eye-to-eye, I don't know.'

'Bottomline is, this seems strange to me Kath and as if you are trying too hard to throw a bunch of people under the bus, so to say. There's only three wolves, but you've thrown multiple people together into working and creating this scenario of suicidal Menel, and a whole group of other people creating this choreographed scenario yesterday. Again, problem is there's only three wolves, one of which is dead, yet you have lumped together several people as working together, as if you are attempting to throw multiple people under the same boat of working together hoping others will follow up.'

'And again, I question why would intellegent wolves even do such a plan? Why set themselves up at a disadvantage after starting out with an advantage? There is no sensible reason that I can think of as wolves sending out one of their own to be suicidal and get themselve purposefully lynched on Day 1, it just doesn't make sense. Because this strategy sets the remaining wolves at a disadvantage and to get one of there buds purposefully lynched on Day 1 just doesn't seem semi-intellegent at all. Why go out and start with a lynching one of their own when an innocent could have easily been lynched on Day 1, as what most typically happens? No, wolves start creating these whacky scenarios when one of them is getting into trouble, I don't see it as something they would do when they start the day off at an advantage and could easily get an innocent lynched, especially when it is Day 1 and there is absolutely nothing concrete to go off of.'

'With that being said, Naria you have now raised some caution. I felt that you likely seemed innocent at the start, but quite frankly this attack of Kath's summary seems odd. Possibly trying to throw suspicion around, because clearly Kath did put in her own commentary throughout the summary.'

[Diamond18]

Diamond regained consciousness in the morning, and learned of the death of Menel with grim satisfaction.

"One dead werewolf," she said. "Excellent. I shall now have to cast my mind back over everything he said, even though I was unconscious during some of it. You may wonder how this is possible, well, I wonder too, but whatever."

She turned to Kath, "I appreciate the posting, it makes for an interesting read, much clearer also than most everything else. Still, it makes me slightly worried, since we are both Hobbits previously acquainted with each other, and if people know you like I know you, they know how devestating your analysis can be when you are using it for ill deeds."

She walked to the bar and helped herself to some day old pancakes, feeling that the age and coldness of them made the consumption of them less gratuitous.

Casting her eye on Nogrod, she observed, "I can't put my finger on it, but you still worry me. You talk long and pretty about the actions of others, calling on people to speak up and such, but that is all I really get from you and it isn't much. Seems a mite unfair to always be calling upon others to speak when that's most all you yourself are saying. Aye, I know I haven't said much of substance but then, at least I admit it. However, your vote for Menel at a critical time speaks well of you."

She heard her name mentioned in passing by Mac:

Diamond didn't give any real contributions to our cause. Her vote was for no reason. It's weird that Menel commented on her fun accusations and told her to go wolf-hunting instead. Why would he ask this of an innocent?

She snorted. "No one around here tells me what to do. Period. I'm a rebel and I've never ever been any good, I'm a rebel and I never ever do what I should. I mean, you think I'm into ascectism for the morality of it? Pshaw. I'm in it for the rebellion. Ask the other Hobbits... my parents don't speak of me. Anyway, as to why Menel said that, you will have to ask him in the afterlife."

"But," she continued, "speaking of those being coached, Volo today strikes me as very smooth for a newbie. This may speak well of his general intelligence, or it may indicate he's being helped along by a furry teammate. Time will tell."

"Eru willing, I will stick around and be able to contribute more to the discussion before I vote, but I must warn you that I feel another fainting spell coming on and do not know how long I can last."

[Valesse]

"Brrrrhmmm!" the meloncholy fir sounded, greeting the inn from her window. "I did have more introductions yesterday than you did young Thinlomien, yes" Valesse started "But as you will note we did not hear from the one we were both worried about until the very... very... end..." Raising her head once again, Valesse continued to address the clients.

"I will ask you to listen to your bird again and note that I was not suspicious of Menel, tiny Kath... but suspicious of Naria and Valier... but seeing Menel's true form now I regret mentioning it..." She heaved a sigh which blew over a stein inside "But even a tarnishing truth now is better than letting a misunderstanding fester."

"If you remember, I state my theory of the boldness of wolves..." The entwife looked pained, feeling foolish "I implied that lycanthorpes are trying to blend in and not stand out... I am- at least- a third wrong."

Slowly her eyes focused on the counter of the inn and in reached Valesse's long woody hand. In her fingers the fir captured a number of apples and brought them outside for inspection. "Yes... I am ashamed that I concluded that such creatures would be silent, when their duty is specifically to be tricksy like the orc. Hrmmm!" The ent placed each apple high in her branches, decorating her foilage like a lady would apply her earrings and continued with a far more greavous expression:

"I apologize for my foul assumptions of you, Naria, but unfortunately they remain... though much fainter than before." Valesse switched windows "I do believe that you will be a deal more active today which would negate my point in observing you." With a chorus of creaks and groans the entwife gave a short but warm smile before frowning once more. "With how my words were construde I will likely be interested in Kath."

"Oop!" Curiously the entwife looked suprised, her apples had all fallen from her branches and were she able, Valesse would be the color of a red wood tree. Gathering her adornments as quickly as a respectible ent might, she excused herself.

[Naria]

After Naria heard Kath out she meandered over to the wall where Kath's parchment hung. "Hmmm, well whadya know...there are a few comments." She looked back at the plump Hobbit and quickly offered an apology, "I am sorry dear I seemed to have missed your thoughts with my first read." She gave Kath a nod and turned her thoughts to other things.

"Valesse, no need to apologize....afterall are we all not suspect." Naria bent down and picked up two of the apples that had fallen and handed them up towards the Entwife's gnarly 'fingers'. Once again her attention was brought around, this time to the collector of corpses. She gave Boro a tap on the shoulder and begged the question, "How did you come to the conclusion that Kath has five 'suspects'? After I read through her note....again, I have not found such things. You must forgive me for I am a simple sort....I am just a warrior and may not be as astute as you may/or may not be....so if you would, please explain."