WWJ XI: When World's Collide - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 09-19-2006, 08:01 AM

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"Besides, Noogles, your defense doesn't convince me. You said: Either I do not get your point or you're being really wolvish here. Wouldn't a wolf want to sway the ranger to waste his/her defense on himself? Wouldn't you, as a wolf, want to sway the ranger to protect yourself and leave Maca unguarded?"

"I haven't seen anything else but this caught my eye... Are you sure you actually understood what I said? Let's not make a mistake here... I mena every vote counts now, heavily (the wolf may use the vote immediately! Wait a second..."

Thinlómien · 09-19-2006, 08:06 AM

"Please, Nogrod, explain what you meant, then, if I was wrong."

Nogrod · 09-19-2006, 08:11 AM

"First: Boro's explanations for the guiltlessness of the three. He couldn't actually write that he knows it now could he? He still had a chance to remain alive if I was the one killed that night. So he had to say something, anything to look even a bit convincing - which "I catch no evil intent" isn't either. But why were all three put in separate lines, and myself in the middle? If there was a reason to point out that I was different from others, wouldn't he have handled myself differently? Sorry. You accuse Boro of outward carelessness and threat our village with a failure. Remember, one vote for an innocent and it's very probabvle downfall of the village as the wolf secures the kill by giving the second vote first!"

Thinlómien · 09-19-2006, 08:23 AM

"Sorry, Nogrod, rage in peace but you fail to convince me. I can't explain Boro's words for him." Thinlómien took a long breath and shut her eyes.
"May the Valar guide my mind and be merciful... I vote

++Nogrod

I really must go now."

She cast a quick glance at the weed-dealer. "I pray I'm right this time."

Then she turned to Volo and Kath, those who she presumed to be her last remaining fellow innocents, or victims. "All I can say is that now, I'm pretty confident of Nogrod's guilt. Recall my points about him and ponder them. Recall his own words thorughout the history of the village. And remember that his family's nature is both bold and cunning. Volo, please remember Kath's a she and recall her words. Kath, please trust Boromir's 'I catch no evil intent' -comment on Volo."

"Thirdly, please do not let Nogrod or yourselves to sway you to vote me. I am innocent. Recall all I have said if that helps. Trust me. If you kill me today, or any other innocent, the village is lost, unless both the wolf and the ranger (if s/he's till alive) pick the remaining ordo next night. Choose well."

Saying her last words, Thinlómien fled the inn dreading what would happen to them all.

Nogrod · 09-19-2006, 08:25 AM

Second: Maca's death might suit to a "wolf-Noggie", but either one's death (Maca or myself) would suit the actual wolf and I think there are reasons why the wolf might have thought that Maca was less probably guarded that night.

Third: I might refer to yourself "babbling" here a bit. Sorry, in a hurry to reach the last point. I'll be back if needed...

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Wouldn't a wolf want to sway the ranger to waste his/her defense on himself? Wouldn't you, as a wolf, want to sway the ranger to protect yourself and leave Maca unguarded?

I just don't see the point here. After either myself or Boro had been tried to kill, I thought of reminding the Ranger that the next Night's guarding probably is in vain as the wolf will visit the same one another time and kill him. So s/he should think most of who to guard not the next Night (no matter who as the last Night's victim will be dead anyhow) but the next after that. I was not sure whether fex. a ranger-Volo would have realised it because I had no memory of that rule being stated in this game although it's quite common (meaning no double rangering on the same person).

As a human innocent who felt that either I myself or Boro was under attack heavily, I thought it wise to make that note (it might have been myself dead and then the ranger might have protected Boro the next Night). I know that many of the players were familiar with the rule and were perfectly capable of getting the idea themselves, but there were at least one who - being the ranger - mightn't have known it...

X-talked with Lommy

Nogrod · 09-19-2006, 08:34 AM

"Well, I knew she would have to go and tried to be as fast as I could... but my last was late. No can do." Nogrod leaned heavily to the desk he had come to and emptied his pint.

"This is not looking good, not at all. The wolf may now jump on Lommy's vote and then it starts to be bye-bye for the village. We were so close..."

With that he took another pint.

"But three votes left. I'll try to see if I have time to look at the things."

09-19-2006, 08:06 AM	#2
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	"Please, Nogrod, explain what you meant, then, if I was wrong." __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-19-2006, 08:23 AM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	"Sorry, Nogrod, rage in peace but you fail to convince me. I can't explain Boro's words for him." Thinlómien took a long breath and shut her eyes. "May the Valar guide my mind and be merciful... I vote ++Nogrod I really must go now." She cast a quick glance at the weed-dealer. "I pray I'm right this time." Then she turned to Volo and Kath, those who she presumed to be her last remaining fellow innocents, or victims. "All I can say is that now, I'm pretty confident of Nogrod's guilt. Recall my points about him and ponder them. Recall his own words thorughout the history of the village. And remember that his family's nature is both bold and cunning. Volo, please remember Kath's a she and recall her words. Kath, please trust Boromir's 'I catch no evil intent' -comment on Volo." "Thirdly, please do not let Nogrod or yourselves to sway you to vote me. I am innocent. Recall all I have said if that helps. Trust me. If you kill me today, or any other innocent, the village is lost, unless both the wolf and the ranger (if s/he's till alive) pick the remaining ordo next night. Choose well." Saying her last words, Thinlómien fled the inn dreading what would happen to them all. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

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09-19-2006, 08:11 AM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	"First: Boro's explanations for the guiltlessness of the three. He couldn't actually write that he knows it now could he? He still had a chance to remain alive if I was the one killed that night. So he had to say something, anything to look even a bit convincing - which "I catch no evil intent" isn't either. But why were all three put in separate lines, and myself in the middle? If there was a reason to point out that I was different from others, wouldn't he have handled myself differently? Sorry. You accuse Boro of outward carelessness and threat our village with a failure. Remember, one vote for an innocent and it's very probabvle downfall of the village as the wolf secures the kill by giving the second vote first!"

09-19-2006, 08:34 AM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	"Well, I knew she would have to go and tried to be as fast as I could... but my last was late. No can do." Nogrod leaned heavily to the desk he had come to and emptied his pint. "This is not looking good, not at all. The wolf may now jump on Lommy's vote and then it starts to be bye-bye for the village. We were so close..." With that he took another pint. "But three votes left. I'll try to see if I have time to look at the things."