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Old 10-06-2006, 02:15 AM   #1
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Which elves do you know of that strayed to evil?
The term Kinslaying comes to mind!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-06-2006, 02:44 AM   #2
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The term Kinslaying comes to mind!!!!!!!!!
Exactly! If the Teleri wouldn't have strayed to evil, they would have given the Noldor their ships, and so wouldn't have been slain.
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Old 10-06-2006, 09:59 AM   #3
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Exactly! If the Teleri wouldn't have strayed to evil, they would have given the Noldor their ships, and so wouldn't have been slain.
Is it possible that Elves ever served Sauron in Mordor? What about Dwarves?
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:21 AM   #4
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Is it possible that Elves ever served Sauron in Mordor? What about Dwarves?
No. N-O. And even if they did, it was because they were captured prisoners, because there were no elves that served him, at least not knowingly into evil.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:37 AM   #5
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No. N-O. And even if they did, it was because they were captured prisoners, because there were no elves that served him, at least not knowingly into evil.
N-O??? Are you preaching Chemistry here?

Can someone ellaborate more on what Gandalf said to Frodo about many a king & others that have walked Middle-Earth & are yet under the sway of the Dark Lord?
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Old 10-19-2011, 05:34 AM   #6
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Silmarillion hint towards Orcs being the twisted forms of elves?
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Yet this is held true by the wise of Eressëa, that all those of the Quendi [Elves] who came into the hands of Melkor, ere Utumno was broken, were put there in prison, and by slow arts of cruelty were corrupted and enslaved; and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes...
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Do you know how the Orcs first came into being? They were elves once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life...
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Silmarillion hint towards Orcs being the twisted forms of elves?
There are a few versions. There was a thread about it:

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12857


I don't fins it surprising that Tolkien considers swearwords to be Orc-talk.
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