WWJ XII: "Oh the tangled web we weave..."

[Thinlómien]

In principle I am/was against lynching newcomers so that they might have a chance to really play, but then I realised that were I still a newcomer to the wws, I wouldn't like anyone not to vote me solely based on my newcomerishness. Hopefully, Rikae, you feel the same way, because my vote will be for

++Rikae

She seems to be the most suspicious this far. Ironically, the more I read her posts, the less I suspect her, but as there's no one other I suspect, I "must" vote her.

As to the others, Volo and especially Rune feel innocent to me. (No, I don't have any specific reasons for this. It's just the general impression.) Of the others I can't say.

EDIT: xed with Mac

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

In principle I am/was against lynching newcomers so that they might have a chance to really play, but then I realised that were I still a newcomer to the wws, I wouldn't like anyone not to vote me solely based on my newcomerishness. Hopefully, Rikae, you feel the same way, because my vote will be for

++Rikae

She seems to be the most suspicious this far. Ironically, the more I read her posts, the less I suspect her, but as there's no one other I suspect, I "must" vote her.

Hmm, suspects me less, but votes for me anyway - and this means in the event of a tie vote, I die.
No hard feelings, though. If I were you, and had to vote early, I would have voted for me also, or Mac, simply for being vocal.I couldn't see you voting for Mac, since in spite of your disagreements, neither of you seems to suspect the other. (Mac's statement "Do I have to worry about you, Lommy? " seems to imply he doesn't need to worry about her).

EDIT: X posted with Jenny

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Rikae

No hard feelings, though. If I were you, and had to vote early, I would have voted for me also, or Mac, simply for being vocal.I couldn't see you voting for Mac, since in spite of your disagreements, neither of you seems to suspect the other.

"Well why do you talk so as if you're trying to get yourself lynched :/ and what more reason does Lommy have to vote you than Mac."

and this means in the event of a tie vote, I die.

"What do you mean? (Just to get rid of confusion)

Should I vote now, or without any new information later, I won't have time to read and think..." :/

[Gil-Galad]

Aye, Rikae is not that suspicous in my eye, but if she turns out to actually be a thing then we've all been played for fools this first day.

right now i am looking at Rune, though his occupation is The Weaver(not real) we may happen to overlook it and he may be a Thing hiding.

Thus my vote must go to Rune, it probably won't be to effect but its a start.

++Rune son of Bjarne

[Volo]

"Ok, this might be nearly as random as Gil's vote, but here it goes.

++Macalaure, too much explaining talk. Just like Boromir last game. I hope I don't make a big mistake here as Mac really is a usefull guy if innocent. Let this be the rare occasion when I apologize in WW without sence yet.

Ok, bye. I might say something some time, but now I'll be away for a few hours at least. And probably for the rest of the day."

[JennyHallu]

Rikae, dear, you really don't need to panic. In the event of a tie vote, the first to get a vote of the individuals in question dies. For example, if the votes were

Bob
Tom
Bubba
Tom
Bubba
Tom
Tom
Bubba
Bob
Bubba

You have a final vote count of Bob - 2, Tom - 4, Bubba - 4.

Tom dies. Bob's fine, he didn't get the most votes.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Thinlomien and Mac are the ones I am most focused on in the moment, of course they have been doing most of the talking.

Rikae seems innocent to me at this moment.

Gil, shows up and votes for me, not very useful, but kind of Gil-Galadish. . .

I will not pay any atention to Glirdy just yet.

Then there is Jenny and Volo, I don't know what to make of them. I might end up voting for one of them, I might end up thinking them inocent. . ..

I think I will direct my attention to Jenny, Volo, Mac and Lommy today.

[Nogrod]

Just a couple of preliminary notes to begin with while announcing that my goats seem to be satisfied for the time being and I have a chance to join the effort here.

The "schism" between Rikae, Lommy and Mac looks interesting indeed, but it might also be three innocents trying to do something useful and having the time to be online at the early hours of the Day with no one elses words to pick up. I mean, after the last game my father went thorugh I have learned to be even more careful with those who hide in the shadows and avoid the bright sunshine of arguments and debates (*coughEonwecough*).

The best place for a thing, I believe, is around the open arguments, mildly supporting or critizing the views brought forwards but not actually taking openly part in them. Then they can say they have been in the discussion and thence are not flying under the radar but have avoided to risk themselves by actually presenting cases or arguments of their own (from which they could be held accountable, were they "right or wrong" - I mean had they been innocents and backed the wrong horse or be they villains knowingly making a "misjudgement"...).

I admit that I thought of Rikae's first post at least eyebrow-raising stuff, but now I'm not so sure anymore. She seems to speak in a reasonably innocent voice. Something similar goes for Mac. He has been a bit... well how should one say it... tight? (I do not agree with Jenny who says that he has been aggressive) But being innocent he would probably make just those points? (SO: being a thingy he would so the same too?) And Lommy I find not the more suspicious she normally is - which isn't much said as she tends to be suspected everytime she plays.

I'll have to look at the posting more closely before trying to form any clearer ideas. And the dynamics of this game surely would merit some discussion too, even though our first objective must be getting one thing toDay.

I'll be back after a while.

PS. Rikae, don't be afraid. My goats will provide you with enough milk to your cheeses. Goatmilk tastes pretty bad as such anyway...

EDIT: X-d with Rune, Rikae & Kitanna...

[Rikae]

I have work to do, although it's difficult to tear myself away, perhaps to come back and find myself condemned, but there's nothing else for it.
I'll just say where my thoughts are at the moment:
Mac- I have some slight suspicion because of the information he gave to contradict my original points, which didn't seem particularly accurate and seemed designed to generate suspicion toward me rather than to shed light on the situation, at such an early point in the game that he could not have known my status unless he was a thing or the seer, and I doubt the seer would choose to dream about a rookie (of course,I know if he was the Seer he wouldn't be casting doubt on me, but you don't know that!). It is, however, entirely possible he was only offering the other perspective to make us aware of all possibilities. I'm reserving judgement for now. Still, his seeming mock-suspicion toward Lommy also raised warning signals for me.
Lommy - Argued with Mac, but never suspected him, and voted for me while claiming she thought I was innocent. On the one hand, this resembles the "innocent voting randomly without intending to actually lynch that person" scenario I had previously described - on the other hand, doing what has just been described as innocent behavior is rather thingish in itself. I also have a gut feeling that she and Mac have some sort of understanding, and that is, of course, suspicious.
Rune - Seems innocent, simply because he didn't join in Mel and Lommy's accusations toward me.
Jenny -Seems to be, like me, the target of some random suspicion from Lommy, which inclines me to believe she's innocent. Then again, that could be a trick - one thing distancing itself from another.
Gil-Galad - His vote for Rune seems fairly random, but is in keeping with his past behavior (or so I heard at the convention). I don't suspect him.
Volo- I can't make sense of his posts, which makes me slightly uneasy.

EDIT - X posted with Rune and Volo - and Volo's post made him appear more innocent in my eyes.

[Folwren]

I am writing this on a word processor as I read through the thread. . .I’m already thirty posts behind. Harhar.

First thing first:

Lommy: I really don’t think Rikae should be suspected just now because of her first post. Last time I wrote a first post to try to break the ice, I was killed for it (well, it started the ball rolling that eventually got me killed). She was breaking ice, being humorous, writing in character, and saying that these things apply to her. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t, but an innocent is more likely to admit something they say or do looking fishy than a wolf/thing is. She acts like an innocent.

I think Rikae’s done some research. I’m reading post #24 now. She seems pretty knowledgeable about what’s happened in past times in different villages. She’s not shy, either. She leaps right into things, more so than I usually do, which I take as a good sign. If she were a thing, I don’t think she’d be so forward!

Reaching Lommy’s vote now. . .I can’t believe it. Dear, you could’ve done anything other than that!! You might suspect Rikae, but you do realize that the more you read her posts, the less you actually do suspect her - and at least she contributes to the game!!!!!! You might’ve gone after someone less likely to. I do realize that you had to vote for somebody, but that seems hard. That seems really hard.

Just reached post #35, which is the last one up just now. I disconnected once it was all loaded. . .

*sigh* Such early votes. Did you have to vote so soon, Gil? I should have waited if I were you. Rune was making a joke, that’s obvious, and it wasn’t terribly smart, either, maybe, but I don’t like lynching people because of their occupation or because of some small, humorous they say in one of their firsts posts. . . same goes for Rikae, all her saying ‘I fill the bill, lynch me!’ You know neither of them can be serious.

Now, my own thoughts on these matters and what has been said.

Mac seems to be trying to make sense with very little to go on. Generally what happens on Day 1 with fairly good players. He made an initial post and has spent the rest of his time explaining himself.

Lommy started with a crash and a bang of accusing Rikae of being suspicious. She continued to say that Rikae was getting less and less suspicious in her eyes, but then finishes her Day 1 career by voting for her. It’s an irksome thing, it really is. That’s what she did to me last time and I dislike it.

Jenny popped in with a list of who had posted and who hadn’t, made the pretty safe assumption that a Thing had spoken already. (Lommy leaped on her, too, for that. . .) Jenny said little else.
Volo has said very little, added next to no contribution to the discussion, so far as I can make out. Sorry, ol’ chap.

Glirdan, Gil-Galad, and Rune have also said very little and have also made very little contribution. Gil has voted for Rune.

And I think that covers all of us? Except me. Jack has said that he thinks Rikae is innocent, Lommy loves to attack people, Mac tries to make sense, Jenny has stated lists and....yeah.....read the post.

As of now, I am most inclined to suspect Lommy, but I have really only read over all the posts once (quickly), and quite a few other villagers have yet to post and yet to put in their thoughts and ideas.

– Jack

Cross posted with: Volo, Jenny, Rune, Rikae, Kitanna, and Nogrod.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I was wondering, should we stick to normal wolf-hunting-methods through out the game or does these thing require new methods?

I am not sure about this that is why I ask. If we think some new stuff up, we might take the things by suprise, but we also risk the things leading us in a wrong direction. . . .

[Nogrod]

Oh those blasted goats! Sorry I was diverted to other "things"...

But I had time to consider something concerning the principles here.

And really the dynamics of this game are very different indeed from any earlier games... There's a host of differences.

I know some people have not liked my forefathers making this kind of comments, but I also know that some of the good people (those concerned) have been happy about them when we have confronted a new gaming envirovment and new tricks made possible by new rules.

So just to mention this. Please Ranger! Stay calm, avoid being picked by the thingies and pick wisely yourself! You are our greatest asset in this game! The Seer and the Weaver will have valuable knowledge, but it will be transient and thence unsure as the status of people here will change. But the Ranger practically kills a thing with every save s/he makes! So we can lynch the things during the Days but the Ranger may also effectively "kill" them during the Nights (by not allowing the next one to transform)!

It's also funny to know that first time in my family's history I can go to sleep with a somewhat relaxed mind (excluding those ancestors of mine who were cursed by lycantrophy). I can't die toNight! The things kill one of their own during the Night, so they will be the tense ones facing the Night. We surely are facing the chance of becoming thingies ourselves, but that still means we can stay in the game and continue the fun...

This looks interesting indeed.

I'll be back with something more concrete soon. Just felt I had to say this.

EDIT: X-d with Mac, Kitanna and Rune

[Macalaure]

What do you mean by "the Ranger may also effectively "kill" them during the Nights"?

Originally Posted by the rules

The only way to kill a Thing will be during the day with a lynching.

If the ranger is successful, nothing happens. As always. That's good, but it doesn't mean a thing is killed. Maybe the things are even happy about successful rangers.

But I doubt we can take them by surprise. I mean, they read what we're saying just like we do, don't they?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

What do you mean by "the Ranger may also effectively "kill" them during the Nights"?

One thing dies every Night, right? No ordo dies. They, the things, kill one of themselves.

Then they choose one villager to be turned into a thing. If that does not happen (eg. the Ranger saves the one), there will be one thing less the next Day. So reducing their numbers aka effectively "killing" them...