WWJ XIII: 'Til Death Do We LARP

[Gurthang]

That's strange: all's quiet. Not that I've been overly talkitive, but there's only one post in the past few hours.

Anywho, I did just notice this.

Originally Posted by CaptainofDespair

I feel quite saddened at the lynching of Ang, who was both a wizard-character, and an educated (and thus needed) member of our little community. The loss of Rikae is also distressing, and there appears to be little to no connections between her death and the wolves.

I'll first point out that that's wrong. There is some connection between her death and the wolves. They have some reason to kill her: maybe it leaves no trail, maybe it leaves a trail to an innocent, maybe she was right and it's a bluff. The point is you can't say there is no reason/connection. It makes it sound like you want to focus away from her death, which I might point out is the only thing that we currently know for sure that the wolves have done.

"Sounds like my kind of wolf. No direct assault; just mildly steer them somewhere else. Subtlety is the way to go."

If I ever get a chance, I'll look into CaptainofDespair. Maybe my theory about CoD and either Durelin or Nogrod isn't so far off. But it's a bit early to tell that yet.

[Thinlómien]

I seem to be the only one who doesn't find Durelin particularly suspicious. (Not that she seems innocentish either.) But I don't see anything wrong with her list of possible Rikae-killing scenarios. She just lists all the possibilities. What I would anyway have liked to find in her post is her own personal opinion of which option she thinks is correct. The lack of that is the only reason for me to be a little wary of her based on that post.

Originally Posted by Cod

As Thinlomien has apparently dropped her suspicions of my venerable person, I see no reasons to continue suspecting her (though, if she were to act out in some way, then the case will be otherwise).

Now what is the logic here?! Sorry, but I don't get your point. If I suspect you, I'm suspicious, if not I'm not so suspicious? Retaliatory (sp?) is a lame word for that logic. Care to elaborate?

Originally Posted by CoD

I am not that suspicious of Naria anymore, since she has not posted much.

Hmm...? How does one's silence make her (or him) less suspicious?

Yesterday, I did not understand CoD's sense of humour. Today, I don't understand his logic...

Originally Posted by Boro

Thinlomien, I think at times you look too deeply into stuff . . .

I might.

I can't help feeling that Gurth's bandwagoning (yes, I know that was the first vote of the day). I know that it's no wonder that many people are suspicious of the same person, but this just raises eyebrows a bit. Maybe it's just a feeling.

Diamond, I think your logic about Noggie killing Rikae is a bit flawed. If he wanted to kill a silent one, why Rikae, the one he had remarked about the day before? Why not Farael, Gurthang, Volo, Rune or Naria who he lists today as "no read-out" (I got the feeling he'd want these people to contribute/speak more) and has no visible connection with?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

PS. Lommy goes a bit too far: she willl be here 24/3½...

Note to self: always think before you write...

[Thinlómien]

About Gurthang: I got my "bad feeling" pinned: it's that he always votes early when the vote is safe and then says "I might be back" or as today, comes back. I don't like this kind of behaviour at all. It gives him a "reason" to slip away from the discussion whenever he wants since he's already voted.

And Gurth... For further referrings to Ang: he's a he.

[Nogrod]

Here's how Anguirel got lynched:

Originally Posted by Gurthang/votepost

Well, for lack of a better reason:

Since he seems more worried about the wolves poetic abilities than finding out who they are. (And for old times sake.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Ang comes across to me as someone who has 'gotten his hands dirty' enough by being definitely present and pointing out different things, but never really getting down into meaty accusations. This could be said of more than just Ang (probably can be said of myself), but I have more of a bad feeling toward Ang.
if I had to vote now, it would more likely be for Ang...he has just the right amount of debonair, but a good dose of cautiousness as well, I think.

Originally Posted by Di

At the moment the only person who leaps out at me it Anguirel. He seems to be flinging half-hearted suspicion everywhere. First, being quick to agree with Lommy that CoD seems "funny," then declaring Durelin the most suspicious, then saying Lommy's early vote seems wolfishly safe, then saying he finds Durelin and Gurthang the most suspicious but is going to vote Diamond because... um... why? I'm not clear on that. I hate it when someone voices suspicions and then does a 180 and votes for a person they've hardly mentioned, and who is not in danger of being lynched. Nice way to spread dirt and raise suspicions without it showing in the vote count.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think both Durelin and Di have a point here: Ang should be looked at more closely. His performance toDay could be interpreted as a very wolvish one. Funny though: Durelin and Di are the exact first persons he suspected...

Originally Posted by Di

I began to suspect him when he made his response to Lommy's suspicion of CoD, and no post he has made since has done anything to soothe my concerns. He could have voted for anyone in the same way he voted for me (not suspecting as much as others but voting for some vaguely stated reason) and it would have set off the same alarams.
Right now no one else is giving me the same bad vibes.

Originally Posted by Di/votepost

I don't like the CoD bandwagon, personally. I see little in his behavior that I find wolfish or cobbleresque. I suppose I should carefully reread his posts to see what others are seeing, but really, I already smell something fishy and what I'm catching is a whiif of:

Originally Posted by Durelin/votepost

for reasons as stated before, and because lynching CoD makes no sense to me...even though he doesn't seem like he would be much of a loss at this point.

Originally Posted by Nogrod/votepost

He threw suspicions around and made at least one 180. Not committing himself openly but still speaking a lot. Just what an intelligent wolf would like to do.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If not the wolf, we might get the cobbler toDay...

To add to these.

Gurthang voted very early kind of promising to come back and making his vote a humorous one.

Diamond cast her vote 45 minutes before the deadline, in a situation where CoD had 3 votes and a couple of others 1 each (including Anguirel).

Durelin voted half an hour before the deadline tying CoD and Ang on three votes (others were still on one or zero votes).

Nogrod voted five minutes before the deadline effectually making the kill in a situation he could only be sure of one other voter being online (Valier) and believing more in the innocence of CoD than Ang..

So Ang basically gathered his votes in the last hour and they were consecutive votes with no other voting going on between them...

Lommy noted about Gurth's voting behaviour. I would also like to note that there were many people online and posting during the last hour (Rikae, Di, Durelin) but most of them casted their votes early and then just hanged around. Also at least CoD and Boro were around an hour before the deadline. It surely is possible they had to go away (RL) and were not able to follow the last moments...

What I mean is that also these actions / omissions should probably be counted too. A villager wishes to do her/his best to help with the good choises and to avoid bad ones. A wolf may just sit back and relax if the voting is going nicely (they know whether it is going good or bad to them unlike we).

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And Gurth... For further referrings to Ang: he's a he.

Well, uhm... I know that actually. Did I really...? Sorry if I made the mistake, but I think the her I was referring to was Rikae. Who is a she, correct?

I feel like I should have something to say here, but I'm drawing a blank. I'll be back later to see if anything significant has occured.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry I am first apearing now. . . I thought I would be home earlier.

Ang is dead, I did not see that comming, well he is a wizard, he will probably return more powerful than ever. . .
Actually I am kind of suprise about the choise made by this lynch, Ang just does not seem like day1 lynch material.

I hope I will have time to make a thorough read of all events later, but I am rather busy and so far I have only skimmed this Day.

I don't like when people are very quiet and sometimes I vote for them for that reason alone. But I need to say that I am only going to speak up if I have something to say, if I don't I will stick to small post.

I am going to speak up, but not on command. If I have no foundation for suspicion what good would a theory of mine be then?

anyways I will be chekking in once in a while for the next few hours and hopefully I will have time to look everything through,

[Boromir88]

The CoD/Ang voters were:

Lommy
Gurthang
Volo
Diamond
Durelin
Nogrod

I have a good feeling about Diamond and Nogrod as far as today goes so I don't think there wolves.

I agree with Ang in that if Lommy was a wolf she made a very safe wolve vote. However, the vast majority of the time a wolf doesn't vote first, they like to wait around and see what the village is thinking a bit before they choose. Also, what Lommy's said today makes her look innocent to me. Her reasoning against Gurthang is something I've been considering recently (which I'll get to in a moment).

Volo just scares me because of his inactivity and his few confusing posts with some type of foreign language (German?). He could be the cobbler, but I don't have enough to go off of, besides the fact that he was confusing, and still is baffling me.

Leaving Gurthang and Durelin. Now while the first vote of the game typically isn't a wolf, other early votes could be, and personally I think Gurthang's vote is a safer one for a wolf to make than Lommy's vote. At the time Gurthang voted for Ang, I don't think his death was certain (and voting for Ang on Day 1 would be safe for a wolf, as one may not anticipate Ang to be a Day 1 lynch). In fact, it doesn't seem to like Ang's was a lynch candidate until Durelin and Diamond thought he was acting strange. Also, with what Lommy brought up about Gurthang today, he seems to be following along with the Durelin crew here. Which would be another safe place for a wolf.

Of those that voted for Ang, Gurthang and Durelin look the most suspicious. Gurthang's was a safe vote for a wolf, early on, not anticipating Ang to get lynched and just throwing out some reasoning behind it. Durelin got the vote tied...which I find more wolfish than breaking the vote (as Nogrod did). Breaking the tie is a tough position for a wolf or an innocent, and right now Nogrod doesn't seem to be a wolf. Tying the vote between two though, and forcing someone else to make a tough decision is a much more suspicious move.

So, my vote shall have to be coming soon for either Durelin or Gurthang.

Edit: X-posted with Valier

[Boromir88]

Durelin has been worrying me since the very start. She's been very active, involved, and more talkative than I'm used to. So, if she's a wolf, she's been a bold wolf.

Gurthang worries me more for his extreme caution and safety. His votes have been safe, and recently tagged along to the Durelin wagon. His careful play worriesme more, so:

++Gurthang

[CaptainofDespair]

Hmm...

Well, it seems I will not escape the label of cobbler. I at least hope I can be a cherry or peach cobbler.

Valier, if my reasons for 'trusting' people seem lame, it is because I refuse to actually trust anyone. There may be some who have not warranted having any suspicions being heaped on them, but to go so far as to trust them is a mistake to me.

~*~

My prior suspicions still stand, as of right now. However, I am coming to agree somewhat with others on the matter of Gurthang. Of these, Boromir's ideas ring a little more 'probable' to me. As of this moment, I am leaning towards a Gurthang vote.

Edit: I appear to have missed a few questions from Thinlomien. I apologize.

Thinlomien, My logic on the matter of dropping my suspicions of you is not very elaborate. Simply put, my suspicions of you arose out of your vote for me. Since you seem to believe (or did) that I am "quite innocent", thus reversing your prior view, I see no reason to continue suspecting you. Perhaps we were both mistaken, perhaps not. For now, I will go with not.

As for my views on Naria (as well as Farael), there is simply not enough information to infer from. Thus, any decisions on suspiciousness are derived only out of my feelings on the matter.

I do hope that answers your questions.

[Nogrod]

I will hopefully have more time to delve into this later, but just for now a few comments.

Naria, Rune and Volo do worry me because of their minimal attendance.

I know Volo is away for the weekend and that's just bad. I wouldn't vote for him though because I think one should have a chance to defend himself anyhow.

I can also appreciate Rune's comment that he just has nothing to say, but c'mon man, you have some hunches, some feelings, something that is based on what you have read here. Be open with it and don't hide!

Naria... where are you? If it's RL, then okay, but tell us that then. Otherwise I'm getting even more worried.

I might agree with Valier's list of Lommy, Boro and Di as ones I'm not too suspicious about. And somehow I might add Valier herself to the list now due to her posting toDay.

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Gurthang plays in a way that could be reason enough to vote for him.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

I feel like I should have something to say here, but I'm drawing a blank. I'll be back later to see if anything significant has occured.

Yes. If we all just waited for something significant to occur, nothing significant would not ever occur. Very bad gaming for us villagers and very pleasing to the wolves indeed. Encouraging silence is the way the wolves get the upper hand. C'mon, say something and don't wait for the others to do the job for you!

(Valier: the level of how intense I'm with getting the under-radar types to the surface depends on how dire a problem they seem to pose for the village. Unfortunately in this village they seem to form just a too big group.)

Durelin I don't know. During times she seems very helpful and reasonable, sometimes her ways really look different to any member of her family I have met: vocal, almost flooding etc. Many times getting a role of the wolf makes semi-lazy player the most active one... but it might also be that she just has more time now.

CoD I'm also a bit confused about. YersterDay he started to feel like a very innocent person but as someone already noted here, his reasons for trusting people depending on their suspicions over him etc. do look quite odd. Confusing...

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Still in this situation - if nothing better comes forwards during the evening here - I would most likely vote off someone who doesn't play. If we have a reason to suspect someone is a wolf or a cobbler, let's do away with her/him, but if we just have to rely on second guesses, let's then rid us of the dead-load that helps us in no way.

Some of you now say: how very convenient for myself to set this kind of standards. It is, but that is not the reason I'm trying to push forward with them. In a village where no one contributes every vote will be random - and in random situations wolves are always having the upper hand as long as there are more innocents than wolves. And topping that: in that kind of situation those who try to make a difference and defend the village by trying to actually find out the villains are first to be lynched as they are the only ones any of us can say anything about and thence to have a reason to suspect them.

Just look at the yesterDay evening. CoD and Ang were the ones the last voters had to decide between. They both had been active and that was the thanks we gave them! And all the villains were just sitting down and relaxing in the background...

Let's not give them that chance anymore. They will hunker down as long as that feels to be a safe way to be. If it is the general feeling that those who hide will die, I'd make a prophecy: one or two of them would fast start contributing...

[Valier]

I've finally able to tear myself away from my hair butchering(RL) It is now a long weekend and I shall have more time to spend here. Not much has been said today, but I will put together my thoughts as best I can.

I'll start with Gurthang, who makes sense in his theory about CoD, but I agree with Lommy

About Gurthang: I got my "bad feeling" pinned: it's that he always votes early when the vote is safe and then says "I might be back" or as today, comes back. I don't like this kind of behaviour at all. It gives him a "reason" to slip away from the discussion whenever he wants since he's already voted.

This does seem odd and could give a Gurthangwolf time to sit around and watch us squirm, I find him to be higher on my suspect list.

CoD...well I just don't trust this guy, he seems almost...cocky maybe. His reasons for trusting people seem lame. He trusts Lommy now, as long as she doesn't suspect him and he trusts Naria because she is quiet. He is more interested in self-preservation which screams Cobbler to me. An innocent villager should be willing to die for the village if need be. I can't quite put my finger on it yet, but he makes me wary.

Diamond

"Made up"? The fact that I had a reason for my vote makes me more suspicious than if I had zero reasoning? And how exactly do you come to the conclusion that I fabricated my reasoning and did not genuinely find him suspicious? Explain, please.

Ok well I got home about a half hour before the deadline and I had little time to go over everything from that day. Your vote for Ang just seemed to be a retribution vote, he votes for you, you vote for him, safe.

but really, I already smell something fishy and what I'm catching is a whiif of:

I think this is what caught my eye and well it just seemed a little harsh. I did not want to vote for either of the two lynchees because I just didn't have the time to find either one overly suspisious yesterday. My vote was mostly random, I just voted for who I found stood out to me the most, just as I am not sure that is just what you did with Ang.

Nogrod seems to be "acting" like his usual self, telling others to talk more like he usually does, but this raises an eyebrow, because this could work good for him if he is a wolf. I agree with Diamond about Nogrod. And I found it odd that he was willing to kill people on the first day, because they were quiet. He just seems a little less patient then normal, which worries me.

Thinlomien, I find hard to judge. I usually tend to agree with alot she says, not that that makes her innocent,I know but I tend to think her innocent for the moment.

Durelin at the moment does not stand out to me as terribly suspisious, so I will try to keep my eyes open when I am reading her posts. I am just unsure about her yet.

Volo....well Volo is gone for the weekend. Is this any reason not to suspect him though? This could be just really good timing for a baddie.

Boromir has been a talkative player but I think that is normal from him. I have noticed one thing in the past...Boro likes to compliment people on certain things when he is a wolf...nothing yet that catchs my eye...so far anyways.

Farael, Rune and Naria....I just have no clue...I would like to hear more from them today, if possible...and it's strange that Naria or Farael didn't vote yesterday. Rune has just been too quiet for me to make a judgement yet.

So my lists go
CoD
Gurthang
Volo
Nogrodas possible baddies
with Farael, Naria and Rune bringing up the rear of my suspisions.

Lommy
Boro
Diamond
I am not overly suspisious of yet

and Durelin, I am on the fence about.