WWJ XIII: 'Til Death Do We LARP

[Farael]

Rune ??? Boy, I didn't see that one coming. Well, at least we got the cobbler out of the way, I wouldn't go as far as calling it a favour from the furry ones, but perhaps half.

I promised a hard look at CoD and some of the things going around him, and I shall... later, 'cos right now I'm a little busy. I really hope I don't miss the deadline again, this is getting really frustrating for me, I swear.

[Boromir88]

I agree with him, and yet I find it odd that he left out Naria.~Durelin

Naria had not voted for CoD or Anguirel. Though I see what you mean. Even if Naria's inactivity is due to a bad flu, I will get to her (and everyone) in a bit.

On the contrary Farael, Rune's death really doesn't surprise me in the least. Now we can see a pattern here developing with the wolves, so they want to kill the quiet one's and keep as low as a profile as possible...so it appears. Taking a look at the two death choices, it's quite clear what the wolves want to do here...Pin the 'talkers' against eachother, and eliminate the quiet ones.

When I get back, I shall see if there's anything to find in Rune's posts.

[CaptainofDespair]

Farael, you would be wasting your time looking into me. And I will leave it at that.

I am highly suspicious of Naria. Even when she has been posting, she has been on the fringe. She has remained quite consistent in her shadiness. In addition, I think it is worth considering a possible connection to Rune's death. He, too, was also on the fringe, and his vote for her went fairly unnoticed. This fits the pattern of the wolves' killings, both Rikae and Rune were less active in the discussions.

X-posted with Boromir

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rune

CoD is innocent, just because. . .

Originally Posted by Rune

Naria is a wolf and need to be delt with (meaning I suspect her)

Seeing these quotes I find it most probable that CoD is innocent and Naria is a baddie, and the wolves thought Rune to be the seer. When he stated his opinion about all of the people in the village, these were the two to "jump out", of others he was not nearly as confident. And, as it happens, the seer had had two dreams that far.

[Valier]

Ok well heres my thoughts. After I reread the thread , I was sure that Rune was the Seer. He said in his last post.

Originally Posted by Rune

CoD is innocent, just because. . ./ Naria is a wolf and need to be delt with (meaning I suspect her)

I was sure someone else (namely the wolves) would surely have picked up on this and we would lose our Seer.
Hurray!! The wolves killed our town meddler for us.
This now makes me think Rune must have thought Naria innocent and CoD wolvish....why would Rune push to kill someone he was trying to help, he is on the bad team remember, and why say CoD is innocent unless he thought he could be a wolf?. He votes for Naria hoping others will follow and kill an innocent, or does he leave false Seer hints to get the real Seer to reveil themselves? Hmmmmm Well I don't know if we should follow anything he had to say. He was here to confuse us right. He didn't know who was who and his plan if he had one to out the Seer didn't work, so yeah! What do others think about all this?

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

On the contrary Farael, Rune's death really doesn't surprise me in the least. Now we can see a pattern here developing with the wolves, so they want to kill the quiet one's and keep as low as a profile as possible...so it appears. Taking a look at the two death choices, it's quite clear what the wolves want to do here...Pin the 'talkers' against eachother, and eliminate the quiet ones.

Oh, no, you misunderstood me... I wouldn't have guessed Rune was the cobbler.

Farael, you would be wasting your time looking into me. And I will leave it at that.

So you say, and yet... why should I trust you?

Back soon with my analysis

[Nogrod]

Ten points to Lommy for her accurate observations! And something like 9½ for Valier from the other angle of this! Great job! And a 9 to Boromir, with some reservations to come... You should have an extra leave for this!

Lommy's points I think look more than reasonable concerning the reason why Rune was killed. Valier's points to the psychology of the cobbler-Rune were noteworthy too. We should look at both these threads with some interest toDay. They do not fit together a 100 percent, but are worthwhile to look more closely at.

What I was thinking myself followed the lines Boromir was thinking. But I surely have my own twist into this. Namely, the loud villagers present are either wolves or very badly misguided. That yells to myself: you're wrong, so wrong! The fact that I know I'm innocent and I'm still alive calls for heightening suspicion towards those I have somehow trusted. Remember we have no ranger to slow the wolves down so they can kill anyone they wish. So they want us loud-people to get into one another's throats, as Boro said?

Or then Lommy just hit the nail and they had to kill Rune as they were afraid he was the seer...

That has to be thought of. But I seemingly can't take anything for granted anymore as the wolves killing pattern seems pretty cunning indeed. Being merciful towards the loud-players (not killing them outright) is a characteristics of a self-assured wolves. Sorry Boro: you speak sense but I must add you to my suspicion-list because of what has happened. If you are a wolf, I would not be surprised of the way you play, if you're not, I might very well see that you have played intelligently...

Or then Lommy was right and the whole situation will look different...

How to see which one it was?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Valier

This now makes me think Rune must have thought Naria innocent and CoD wolvish....why would Rune push to kill someone he was trying to help, he is on the bad team remember, and why say CoD is innocent unless he thought he could be a wolf?

Why would the wolves kill someone who thought CoD to be innocent if CoD is a wolf? Maybe to make it look like CoD is innocent? But why would they feel the need to? And you make the assumption that Rune had any idea who the wolves were. He knows no more than the rest of us do. I mean, actually it’s quite probably that he thought CoD was a wolf and Naria innocent, and so thought he was helping the wolves, but that doesn’t explain why the wolves killed him.

I find Lommy’s reasoning a little more sound. And Boromir’s point only makes me feel more certain that it is. There is a pattern in the wolf killings (even though we only have two to go on, which I think is quite enough for there to be a pattern when it comes to human or wolfish thought-processes): the killing of the quiet ones. I think another reason they might do this, in addition to Boro’s observation, is to try and get rid of the Seer as soon as possible, and there’s always a good chance that he/she is going to lie low.

Was it Rune’s comment about Naria that caught the wolves eyes? Or was it something else he pointed out?

I hope Naria will post today and help me decide one way or the other. Her vote yesterday, though it was hasty and unexplained for understandable reasons, still does not sit right with me. CoD certainly isn’t someone I’m sure about, but what I feel like could be taken from Naria’s vote is an attempt to remain appearing consistent simply for the sake of appearing consistent, and that bothers me.

Valier’s comment worries me a little, too. The reasoning there is a little faulty in my opinion, and I find it odd that she might risk twisting Rune’s death in the opposite direction that Lommy did just the post before. Odd, kind of reactionary.

Hopefully Volo will be back toDay.

Originally Posted by Boro

Naria had not voted for CoD or Anguirel. Though I see what you mean. Even if Naria's inactivity is due to a bad flu, I will get to her (and everyone) in a bit.

Ah, I’m sorry. Though, Naria did say she was leaning towards voting for CoD. I’m not sure why, but this calms my suspicions of you a bit.

[Nogrod]

The retired general is going to retire for some sleep now.

But if any one of you has extra time I think looking at the following things might be of help to us:
- The "safe votes" with regards to what we know now and about the innocence or "guilt" of the people involved.
- The trust / suspect relations between people voiced in the game so far. The wolves would like to make friends with the villagers they think might suspect them in a strong way and accuse those they believe would not do that... surely considerations in situ (on situatiation) should be noted.
- Pondering about the possible activeness / staying in the "shadowness" of the wolves. Meaning whether Lommy is right about Rune's death (the wolves feared "Rune the Seer" had got one of them) or if Boro is right (they confidently killed yet another quiet one to make the loud ones to go for each other, themselves grinning in the background).

PS. Boro being right with this fact does not mean he is innocent, quite on the contrary... it might point him being the one who came up with this tactics in the first place.

And Lommy might also be seen as revealing the tactics of the wolves just to look good and still being vague enough not to reveal anything of importance...

As I said before: with the Nightly killing record we have I'm not going to trust anyone for a while... There is at least one very crafty wolf involved here.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Valier’s comment worries me a little, too. The reasoning there is a little faulty in my opinion, and I find it odd that she might risk twisting Rune’s death in the opposite direction that Lommy did just the post before. Odd, kind of reactionary

Actually I crossposted with Lommy, so I did not see her views before I posted. what do you think is faulty about my comment? it is just my opinion, I am just trying to figure out what Rune was up to, if anything. I believe that he may have put out false Seer hints to try and get the Seer to come out, if not why even bother saying something so Seeresque? He must have known that either the real Seer would come out and call him a liar or that they wouldn't and he can confuse us all before he was killed by the wolves...