Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVI - Úcenite Valto - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-13-2006, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by me

Using a coin suggests that the tie will be two-way, but does not preclude the possibility of more than two villagers being tied at the end of the day and each one being at risk of random lynching.

Actually, the reference to the first and second choices totalled indicates that you may be right. We could do with some clarification on this point ...

Kath · 11-13-2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Actually, the reference to the first and second choices totalled indicates that you may be right. We could do with some clarification on this point ...

Though with Fea's disappearance we won't have it for some time.

Even with the level of blind luck we're having to work with here, there are still ways of working out who the wolves are without the usual voting record and association analyses. We may also benefit from the lack of any Gifted players as we needn't worry about having pegged the Seer as a wolf (which a number of people here have done).

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Originally Posted by Ang

Would it be useful, then, to confess to any feuds we nurse against our fellow villagers? Some shadows of the past have already surfaced...Boro wants Roa hanged and LMP remembers Shamville...

Perhaps this could be a way to decide the lynch toDay. If everyone lists who they have a grudge against, for whatever reason, we could lynch the person the most people have grudges against. This way, when it got to say Day 3, we might avoid the usual problem of falling back onto past games and unsettled scores.

Anguirel · 11-13-2006, 08:45 AM

Lady Kath, I'm not certain so precise a grudge-listing would grant me a particularly long life...but it's certainly an idea...

OK, I'm willing to co-operate. phantom and Boro me ol' pals: Remember the Fen of Serech, otherwise known as the tenth village...

Or perhaps it would be Quath. Hmmm...spoilt for choice...

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-13-2006, 08:49 AM

Well, we could tackle the matter from the other side - each of us declares whether or not s/he is a werewolf! Really, people - are we going to trust phantom's word that he isn't?!

I, of course, am not a wolf. Milkmaids are always symbolic of innocence and purity, and literary milkmaids are always fair of face, with tidy hair, starched white aprons, soft clean hands, nary a trace of perspiration, and not a whiff of the animals with whom they spend much of their day...

the phantom · 11-13-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SPM

How about we aim to make sure that each one of us has received one vote by the end of the day and leave it to blind luck who gets lynched?

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Originally Posted by Esty

Saucy, your suggestion means Fea could play the game all by herself, just tossing a coin each day and letting us know what happens.

Do you really trust Fea to "flip a coin"?

She will be killing whoever she wishes throughout this game. When the WWs make their picks, she will kill the one she feels like killing.

Not that I'm complaining. As surpreme mod-god she has that right, and will no doubt choose kills that she feels will make this venture more entertaining.

Rest assured, despite all claims to the contrary, our host's lovely hands are unlikely to come into contact with any coins during the course of this slaughter.

And no, SPM, let's not tie everyone. The Dark Lady already has enough power without us handing her every bit of it. Let's at least be in control of the one area in which we have power (the lynch). The only way I'd ever support your random lynch plan is if I was the favorite to be lynched. In that case, I would definitely cry out for a mass tie and random lynching.

I think about the most useful thing we can do today is look at the list and decide who the "Dark Lady" would choose as WWs. Any thoughts?

the phantom · 11-13-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kath

If everyone lists who they have a grudge against, for whatever reason, we could lynch the person the most people have grudges against. This way, when it got to say Day 3, we might avoid the usual problem of falling back onto past games and unsettled scores.

That makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Ang

phantom and Boro me ol' pals: Remember the Fen of Serech, otherwise known as the tenth village...

Ah yes- the village where you were the Ranger and Boro, Lal, and I survived to win as WWs. Surely you don't still have a grudge from that. You had a successful protection the 2nd to last night, so I don't see a reason for you to feel to down about your performance in that village.

Heh- I just thought.... you as the Ranger have a grudge against Boro and I as WWs, and you and Boro as WWs (WPenguins actually) have a grudge against me as the Hunter. Er- fake Hunter actually. A brilliant move on my part, I must say.

Do I have a grudge against anyone? I can't think of one right off hand. If anyone thinks of a grudge that I should have against someone just let me know.

Anguirel · 11-13-2006, 09:21 AM

Fair dos. Here's what I think about the Fearewolf credentials of each villager.

Anguirel - I'd be quite likely. I've killed Fea as a wolf before in WWJIII, though I was eventually defeated. I also eventually got her strung up from beyond the grave in WWI.

Boromir88 - few personal motives here except what a terrifying wolf he always makes.

Diamond18 - Skittles and Diamond's near-perfect innocence so far makes this plausible.

Eomer of the Rohirrim - Clearly a no-brainer. Of course Fea would love Eomer as her bondsman. But she might also like him to save the day heroically as a villager. Not so much of a no-brainer.

Estelyn Telcontar - Well, I'm not sure I'd be able to resist. Would Fea?

Kath - Though she's a deadly operator, I could see Fea going after slightly more risque wolves.

littlemanpoet - WWIII, the Eorling Mead Hall and ATM make a strong connection here...

Mithalwen - similar to Esty. But Mith does make such a delightful heroine.

mormegil - plausible on account of his habitual loudness, but no particular history of antagonism here that I remember.

Nogrod - a career too chequered to be true?

Roa_Aoife - all I can say is whatever side Roa's on, Fea will be angling to break her victorious track record...

the phantom - sort of similar to Eomer, with a darker twist

The Saucepan Man - is our Dark Lady as sadistic as she sounds? Not that much of a feud here, so similar case to Boro

Conclusions - pretty scant.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-13-2006, 09:33 AM

I'd like to remind you that I have a 100% record of being an innocent villager.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-13-2006, 09:34 AM

Oh, and a 100% record of being on the winning side too!

the phantom · 11-13-2006, 09:46 AM

And I have a 100% record of Esty being in every game that I mod.

So, Ang, if I'm reading your list correctly, based on mod-preference you would recommend lynching Esty- and yourself. How selfless of you. I will add you to my little list.

My current lynch list-
Ang
Di
Esty
morm

People I won't be voting for today-
Boro
Eomer
Kath
lmp
mith
Nogrod
Roa
tp
SPM

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-13-2006, 09:51 AM

Moi?! On your lynch list? How did that happen?

the phantom · 11-13-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Esty

Moi?! On your lynch list? How did that happen?

Because if I was modding I would've made you a WW. Without a doubt.

Boromir88 · 11-13-2006, 10:02 AM

But your not modding

11-13-2006, 08:45 AM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Lady Kath, I'm not certain so precise a grudge-listing would grant me a particularly long life...but it's certainly an idea... OK, I'm willing to co-operate. phantom and Boro me ol' pals: Remember the Fen of Serech, otherwise known as the tenth village... Or perhaps it would be Quath. Hmmm...spoilt for choice... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-13-2006, 08:49 AM	#4
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Well, we could tackle the matter from the other side - each of us declares whether or not s/he is a werewolf! Really, people - are we going to trust phantom's word that he isn't?! I, of course, am not a wolf. Milkmaids are always symbolic of innocence and purity, and literary milkmaids are always fair of face, with tidy hair, starched white aprons, soft clean hands, nary a trace of perspiration, and not a whiff of the animals with whom they spend much of their day... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-13-2006, 09:21 AM	#7
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Fair dos. Here's what I think about the Fearewolf credentials of each villager. Anguirel - I'd be quite likely. I've killed Fea as a wolf before in WWJIII, though I was eventually defeated. I also eventually got her strung up from beyond the grave in WWI. Boromir88 - few personal motives here except what a terrifying wolf he always makes. Diamond18 - Skittles and Diamond's near-perfect innocence so far makes this plausible. Eomer of the Rohirrim - Clearly a no-brainer. Of course Fea would love Eomer as her bondsman. But she might also like him to save the day heroically as a villager. Not so much of a no-brainer. Estelyn Telcontar - Well, I'm not sure I'd be able to resist. Would Fea? Kath - Though she's a deadly operator, I could see Fea going after slightly more risque wolves. littlemanpoet - WWIII, the Eorling Mead Hall and ATM make a strong connection here... Mithalwen - similar to Esty. But Mith does make such a delightful heroine. mormegil - plausible on account of his habitual loudness, but no particular history of antagonism here that I remember. Nogrod - a career too chequered to be true? Roa_Aoife - all I can say is whatever side Roa's on, Fea will be angling to break her victorious track record... the phantom - sort of similar to Eomer, with a darker twist The Saucepan Man - is our Dark Lady as sadistic as she sounds? Not that much of a feud here, so similar case to Boro Conclusions - pretty scant. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-13-2006, 09:33 AM	#8
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I'd like to remind you that I have a 100% record of being an innocent villager. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-13-2006, 09:34 AM	#9
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Oh, and a 100% record of being on the winning side too! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-13-2006, 09:46 AM	#10
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	And I have a 100% record of Esty being in every game that I mod. So, Ang, if I'm reading your list correctly, based on mod-preference you would recommend lynching Esty- and yourself. How selfless of you. I will add you to my little list. My current lynch list- Ang Di Esty morm People I won't be voting for today- Boro Eomer Kath lmp mith Nogrod Roa tp SPM __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-13-2006, 09:51 AM	#11
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Moi?! On your lynch list? How did that happen? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-13-2006, 10:02 AM	#13
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	But your not modding __________________ Fenris Penguin

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