WWJ XIII: 'Til Death Do We LARP

[Nogrod]

???

[CaptainofDespair]

Well, I know I'm innocent. It's either Valier, or Farael.

I find it very interesting that Thinlomien is the one that is dead, and not Nogrod, the known innocent. Obviously, this last wolf is very confident.

Maybe Thinlomien was on to something in her recent analysis post...which makes killing Nogrod less advantageous. Or not.

I'm very confused about this...

[Farael]

Originally Posted by CaptainofDespair

Maybe Thinlomien was on to something in her recent analysis post...which makes killing Nogrod less advantageous. Or not.

Loomy was suspecting Volo and Valier. I'm sure you know this, and I'm sure the wolf knows it too... that's why you killed Loomy to frame Valier today, ain't it CoD?

[Valier]

ummmmm Ok well this is just weird. I never even gave it a second thought Nogrod that you wouldn't be killed last night(sorry, no offense) You are the only known innocent. This is confusing and I'm not quite sure I understand your theory's yet Nogrod about why Lommy was killed.
It makes me feel well....I'm not quite sure...I know that I am innocent and I know that Nogrod is innocent, so that leaves Farael and CoD. Who have I suspected for most of the game? CoD that's who. I think when he almost got lynched the Day Ang went, everyone just let him go the next day. He has been coasting through, with a sour attitude for most of the time and has shared little theory's. he just votes for people who vote for him and have any suspicion of him(namely me) with little or no real reason. I am sure it is all pure luck that he is still alive.

I will be around for most of this day on and off, so I will reread all CoD and Farael's votes, but my gut tells me it's CoD. I still want to talk this out between the four of us....perhaps you Wolfie would like to just give up?

[Nogrod]

Farael's last post makes me drop in this one thought too before I go to bed.

I have kind of looked at the three possible explanations to Lommy's death on my own point of view. But taking the example Farael provided: were I the wolf here, I would never try such a frame up against Valier as I would think that it would just be too easy to pick up and thence lead to my lynching. (Well in case I had failed in that way I could always say that it is a double bluff and someone is trying to frame me by making you believe I tried to frame Valier... ) But the question is, how would CoD think of it? Would he think of it as a good idea?

These kinds of questions we need to consider toDay, all of us.

[Valier]

Wow Nog your post makes my head spin.....I just can't get all these conspiracy theory's. I thought why would the wolf be so dumb as to frame me, when it would certainly look like I was being framed? And if the wolf was trying to frame me, who is it? Is it CoD, thinking we wouldn't think he was that dumb , so we would kill farael? Or is it Farael hoping that you either take the framing as real and you kill me or that you don't and kill CoD.....AAAHHHHHH!! This is making my brain hurt already! Ok I need to slow down and think about this some more.

[Farael]

I think it's quite simple... Valier is quite experienced, thus she would have killed Nogrod, which is the safest move and it leaves absoultely no trail. By killing Loomy the wolf must have thought that he could frame Valier who was Loomy's other suspect (other than the now deceased Volo I mean).

I know I'm an ordo
I know Noggy is an ordo
I am fairly sure that Valier, should she have been a wolf, would have killed Nogrod

Thus, and taking into consideration that in any other situation Loomy's death would have reflected poorly on Valier it leads me to think that CoD is our last remaining wolf.

[CaptainofDespair]

Interesting, Farael. You continue such direct attacks against me. Perhaps trying to frame me to get me killed once and for all? I know you relish the thought.

And I find it interesting that you seem so certain you know why Thinlomien was killed and not Nogrod.

But you leave out one crucial factor. I am smart enough to see the benefit of killing Nogrod. It makes more sense, even to me.

You could be our wolf, easily, Farael. You have wonderful little theories abour why I could be it...yet those ideas could well be taken from your own playbook.

And Valier, I will say this: I have gotten through this on being both lucky, and being a distraction. Granted, you all started that distraction. But in any case, I became a good cover for the wolves, it seems.

[Nogrod]

Important, read carefully the following.

Two votes are enough for one to get killed. So? If even one innocent gives out a vote that is for another innocent, the wolf will just pop in and make the second and it's game over for us. So the first vote must be made more than carefully! I've seen that happen (I was the one killed).

To avoid any accidents favouring the wolf it might be wise if all of you would tell us others here when you are going to be able to play toDay and when is the last time you can be online.

I for my part can drop in every once in a while about the whole Day - after I get some sleep first, pretty soon. I do have RL and need to see also for Fea's game, but will surely be available also at the deadline toDay (if it comes to that).

[CaptainofDespair]

Since tomorrow is Sunday, I will be around all day, on and off as my coursework reading requires (and that won't take long). So you may count on me being around til the deadline.

[Nogrod]

Well, if our fanged enemy here thought of confusing us, it really has succeeded.

This is just a weird situation... why did the wolf choose an unknown innocent and did not kill me?

I have thought of three possibilities.

1) I would think that the idea of Lommy being up to something too dangerous for the wolf could possibly be ruled out as that would be the obvious track we would start to follow. And honestly she basically said that Farael and CoD are probably innocent and Valier might be a furred one, but she had no strong points over her anyway. I just can't see Valier jumping around in panic and wishing to kill Lommy before me because of Lommy's posting. If anything, from this we might read a contrary lesson: Valier might be framed here to look guilty. But that would be a bit too clumsy.

conclusion, for now: Lommy was not killed because she suspected something or because someone wished to frame another via her thoughts.

2) A bit better candidate to my eyes is that I'm completely at loss with this (as I am, have been the whole game) and the wolf considered that I would pose a lesser threat to it toDay. So not so much Lommy being fearfully right but myself being totally lost and thence safer to play the last Day against? Adding to the above: you all remember the amount of work Lommy did yesterDay. Maybe our wolf is afraid that the devil is in the details and thence wanted Lommy out not to dig those details up? But for the wolf to actually risk letting one known innocent to remain in-game for that, the information must be mighty condemning! According to my lorebooks Valier surely is quite knowledgeable of the fact that I may also go on making detailed analysis which may be pretty nasty. I think Farael knows that too, even I'm not so sure about him. CoD I have never played with and thence he might not know it and this point could then point towards him being the culprit.

conclusion, for now: I'm not very confident about this option either: the stakes are a bit too high for this risk to be taken just on the basis of supposed playing styles.

3) The wolf feels itself so confident or is such a sporty type who wishes to make it not only winning but winning beautifully? This might not be too far-fetched if you remember what I said in my last post about the votes. Just one vote for a fellow innocent will mean death to us all if two of us can't turn the tables before the wolf gets to vote. But who could fit this description? Even though I don't know CoD from previous games I tend to doubt him being the one on the basis of this as he has been under a lot of fire in this game. Farael I'm not so sure. He feels to be more impulsive and aggressive than this cool... Valier then?

conclusion, for now: Somewhat baffled as I see this the most viable reason for killing Lommy in principle. If Boro would still be in the game (or Ang or...) I would be quite ready to call the lynching party immediately, but now...

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Well, I need to sleep on these now.

One thing I think would be useful - if anyone has time - would be a voting record for everyone for the whole game, including whom they voted, when they did it (in what situation of voting that Day) and with what kind of reasons.


Just please don't anyone vote before its absolutely necessary!