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Delver in the Deep
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Raynor has once again provided the right quote at the right time: Quote:
We know that Tolkien continued to work on his invented world after publication of LOTR. Why did he not choose to write complete back stories or creations for Bombadil, dragons and giants? Was it because he was too busy with the actual events of the First and Second Ages? Did the mystery elements of The Hobbit and LOTR get nudged aside, as the Professor was preoccupied? Or was it a conscious decision to leave the ambiguity as it was? Quote:
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Estelo dagnir, Melo ring
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I started on this response yesterday and finished it only today, so it might seem a little disjointed. Also, I started it before any of the major Letters and HoME (and the like) quotage, so it's all my speculation...and I'm going back to good ol' Tom.
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But is it just Frodo who thought it unnecessary, or did Tolkien see it as such, as well? I expect he probably did. I think Tolkien really wanted to keep people from getting too settled into Middle-earth. He wanted it to be entertainingly fantastical, and not stop tugging at the strings of our imagination. First he gets us all settled in with this idea of Hobbits. Then he throws in things like Elves, 'moving trees,' a magical Ring, a Dark Lord... We start off 'being with' Hobbits, which are really rather familiar to us, and we learn about all these things that are far from really familiar to us through them. Next thing, we experience the first meeting of the Ringwraiths with Frodo. We experience Elves for the first time. But with all of this dark stuff: the Ringwraiths, the Ring, a Dark Lord, a scary forest, one very nasty tree, and overall a very unfortunate situation for Frodo, there seems to be very little light. All of the power seems to be on the side of all the dark stuff, while on the side of light there are just a few Hobbits - even the Wizard is nowhere to be found. Tom Bombadil shows up at such a perfect moment, and shows us the power of good in Middle-earth just as blatantly as Sauron and the Ring show us the power of evil. Just when the Hobbits are pretty much literally swallowed up, by darkness you could say, this mysterious Tom enters. |
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Here is the quote concerning the legacy Tolkien left for others to complete his work (well, he at least intended that initially):
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Princess of Skwerlz
Join Date: Jan 2002
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In my opinion, Tolkien himself wanted the enigmas to stay enigmatic - even to and for himself! Do you think he had all of the background figured out and just chose to keep that information from his readers on purpose? Boro has a point with JRRT's inability to resolve some of the mysteries due to health problems later in life, but I propose that he did not want to cut the ball open so that it would not lose its bounce for him. Or, to speak with Gandalf:
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A Mere Boggart
Join Date: Mar 2004
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There's three answers here that are all in part correct. Firstly Raynor says that Tolkien included characters such as Tom to add 'depth', then Boro says it was due to Tolkien having less time to devote to his work, and finally there is Esty's answer that it all adds mystery.
Tolkien did indeed have less and less time to his work as he grew older. Remember he was an academic with a large family, and was not a high earner. From reading the new Companion & Guide I've been horrified to learn just how hard he did work in his middle age just to keep his family fed, clothed and housed. He was on a relatively low wage and had to accept all kinds of work external to his University work, including marking school exam papers and even civil service entrance exam papers. He was on a multitude of committees, and took a full part in the life of Oxford, even acting the part of Chaucer in the Summer revels, and was a fully active 'family man', doing DIY and all the rest of it. Most of Lord of the Rings was written in the early hours of the night. Even after retirement he found little time for writing, he had the business side of being a writer to deal with, including answering countless letters, and his health was not good, nor was Edith's. Middle-earth often came very low down on his list of priorities and this seems to have been a source of great frustration. If he did leave things such as Tom in accidentally as inconsistencies then I'm surprised there aren't in fact more and its testament to his meticulousness. But characters such as Tom also add in depth as Raynor has brought up. Any real mythology has odd instances such as Tom or Ungoliant. Step inside Middle-earth for a moment and only Eru knows why they are there. The rough and fuzzy edges are what separate Tolkien from his vastly inferior imitators who wish to have everything 'categorised' and neatly put into boxes like Art is just some dreary dull 'science' or computer programme. The urge to put everything in Tolkien's work into defined sections is no better than the urge to file documents. I like to think Tolkien did it on purpose just to fox us all and stop us doing exactly that kind of thing. You cannot do this with the real world, and you cannot do it in Tolkien's world. Never will be able to either, as he is now gone. Finally as Esty says, do we really want it all to be neatly squared off anyway? How boring would it all be then?! Mystery is beautiful...
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Princess of Skwerlz
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Yes, all of those reasons do apply. My thoughts are more concerned with the role of the author and his created universe. Wouldn't it be just as boring to know everything about your own invented universe as it would be to have nothing left to discover in this world/universe?! I think Tolkien needed some mystery left for himself, to keep his own interest in Middle-earth alive.
He wrote about that in 'Leaf' by Niggle. While alive, Niggle never was able to finish his painting - there was always something more to be seen at the edges or beyond the main tree. And after his death, when he encounters the real tree, there is time to complete his vision - but when he is done there, he moves on to discover new vistas. Quote:
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