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12-10-2006, 02:26 PM
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Just to add to what Mithalwen has posted, Green is a colour rarely worn (in RL), as it is seen as unlucky. There is a superstition that if the Bride wears green then the faeries will take her away. From a similar origin comes veil wearing, as it was seen to be important to 'protect' a bride lest the faeries see her face and steal her; bridesmaids were also said to be used as further protection, in an effort to 'confuse' tricksy sprites by being confronted with a whole bevy of lasses.
I'm not going to say much about those Elves who 'married' by 'doing the deed', but it does conjour up some strange mood dampening images if they made sure to say their 'blessings' before um...getting down to it. 
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However, this is one of those instances where we can find Tolkien's Catholicism, as to sleep with someone is (was?) very much taken to be a declaration of consummation of a relationship, and if I am not mistaken, at one time non-consummation of a relationship was acceptable reason for a fully endorsed divorce? I think Henry VIII divorced Anne of Cleves quickly for this very reason.
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Oh Lal I think the vows were at the feast before not during..... at least I hope so.....!!!!! That would be a bit weird but reminds me of a very rude joke . Non-consummation is still grounds for annulment ... and ...well I remember quite an interesting case a few years ago regarding the validity of a Catholic marriage .. but if you want to know about that PM ....
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12-10-2006, 05:13 PM
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I suspect the choice of white came about in Victorian times for dresses more as a symbol of wealth and status - a family announcing that they had enough money to splash out on a thoroughly impractical item of clothing that could not be used again, and possibly as a 'sign' of how delicate and precious their dear daughter was (i.e. not the type who'd get it covered in dirt in the kitchen, nor the type to go and get tell-tale grass stains on her frock
).There is a 'public declaration' before marriage in the UK - banns must be published and read out on Sundays for three weeks in advance of a church marriage, and for a civil marriage the names of the couple must be published on the notice board in the registry office for 21 days in advance of the date. Prevents 'Britney style' weddings... Quote:
 , but I know what that looks like. It looks to me like sleeping together was the actual act that caused two Elves to 'be married' (as opposed to taking rings or signing a book) and they could forgo the ceremony if necessary. Just so long as they said their blessings. Eol and Aredhel must have married in this way, as I don't remember any other Elves being around in his woods. Saves money anyway...
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12-11-2006, 06:33 AM
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Yes...it would have been ... though that case is problematic since there was a suggestion that Eol in some versions had taken her by force... however the forgoing of hte ceremonies certainly annoyed the relatives...
There is a foot note to LACE that states that Beren and Luthien could have contracted a legal marriage in the wilds but that it was a matter of honour to respect Thingol's conditions. Those of us of a certain age who remember the omnipresent "Princess Di" haircut will find it only too easy to believe that Queen Victoria's choice of dress would have started a longlasting fashion ...so many "old english traditions" hail from her time. Of course elves would have no particular need to have wedding clothes symbolising purity since they were by definition pure....
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12-11-2006, 11:58 AM
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Oh, gosh, that idea seems sickeningly grotesque to me. I rather like the idea of ceremony first....
Leastways, I always thought better of the elves.  Aaannnyyyy way, I think the topic wandered down a road I am not comfortable with. Now that we are aware that there was at least some sort of ceremony for weddings (regardless of whether it was before or after the act of acting like man and wife), can we not speculate that they might have worn a new dress of some sort? Surely they would have! It is, after all, a special occasion. -- Folwren P.S. Mith, I will find those parts in the bible that it mentions white, and the bride, and purity, and will PM them to you.
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