Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVII - Ballroom Blitz

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

Seeing as it's only been 4 hours of dancing no one as of yet qualifies as quiet.

I totally agree with this judgement!

We should be able to make a difference between what we say in principle and what we urge others to take action right now... For now we have been talking about general principles I think (at least I have), but little by little we start to build up actual points. What I'm afraid is that we pick the slightest of possible confusing thing and go voting on the basis of it for someone who has actually taken part and leaving the silent / careful in their shadow... 'nuff said about the topic from my part now.

Just simmering the pot:

If there ever was a cobbler, then Macalaure is one...

[Kath]

Kitanna, Valier, Kath and Mac are four I'd particularly expect to see plenty of posting from, though, and if we haven't by tomorrow I may become suspicious.

Emphasis mine. You haven't played with me often have you Rikae?

Ah so the good old quiet/loud debate continues. A wolf can be quiet, hiding behind the (generally correct) assumption that villagers won't vote for someone who has barely been around out of a sense of 'oh, we should give them a chance'. However, wolves can be loudmouths who hide behind their words. There can be no tactic of 'lynch all the quiet ones' or 'lynch all the loud ones' because, more often than not, there will be one of each. As mentioned before it's the meaning behind the words that is important.

But then, this debate is only really going on because we don't have a Seer and their tactics to argue about. Plus it's good to gauge reactions to things first Day, and hope that someone says something that proves them evil in future Days.

[mormegil]

A couple of things. There are already 50 posts in about 4 hours! A bit silly I'd say. Now I haven't read all of them yet but a couple of things that did stick out to me is that Farael is innocent...why you ask. He has his innocent style of play that I always find suspicious. So if I'm suspicious of him he must be innocent.

Rikae has contributed the most to this obscene amount of posting. Also she was clamoring on about the silent one after 2 hours! Let's get real here. Well Mormegil hasn't posted in 2 hours he simply must be guilty.

Eomer is innocent ...trust me on this.

++Rikae

By lynching her we will make things a bit easier as we will have fewer overall posts. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty but this is a spite vote...though for that matter I might want to lynch Eomer so that he can get his come-uppance. Nothing personal Rikae but I"m in the mood for a bit more silent game and currently you have the most posts.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by mormegil

A couple of things. There are already 50 posts in about 4 hours! A bit silly I'd say. Now I haven't read all of them yet but a couple of things that did stick out to me is that Farael is innocent...why you ask. He has his innocent style of play that I always find suspicious. So if I'm suspicious of him he must be innocent.

Ah, very logical. When you aren't suspicious of him, is he guilty?

Originally Posted by mormegil

Rikae has contributed the most to this obscene amount of posting. Also she was clamoring on about the silent one after 2 hours! Let's get real here. Well Mormegil hasn't posted in 2 hours he simply must be guilty.

Well, if you actually read before voting, you would have seen that Farael was the one advocating lynching the silent ones, and I posted the list to point out that too many were silent to make that a viable strategy, and to try to get everyone posting, which was his stated reason for the "lynch the quiet ones" strategy.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Eomer is innocent ...trust me on this.

Why? Because you're a seer? Oh, wait, we don't have one.

Originally Posted by mormegil

++Rikae

By lynching her we will make things a bit easier as we will have fewer overall posts. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty but this is a spite vote...though for that matter I might want to lynch Eomer so that he can get his come-uppance. Nothing personal Rikae but I"m in the mood for a bit more silent game and currently you have the most posts.

Well, if everyone agrees with Morm, feel free to lynch me! I've done my best to be helpful while I have a chance to be here, but if I'm not wanted, so be it.

[Kath]

And so it begins. Why is it that every game ends up with someone storming off?

Rikae, morm obviously had to vote early for some reason. He has nothing to go on so he's picking on someone for a ridiculous reason, most probably to gauge reactions. It doesn't mean he hates you.

[Rikae]

I'm not storming off - I'meant if more players want to get rid of me, they can go ahead and vote for me.

As for the rest, I just found Morm's post very suspicious, from the inaccurate statements on Farael and myself to the "seerish" comment about Eomer. I'm not saying this out of spite; it should be clear to anyone that Morm's post is fishy, apparently designed to create confusion. There may be an innocent explanation, but as it stands it looks very odd.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Rikae

As for the rest, I just found Morm's post very suspicious, from the inaccurate statements on Farael and myself to the "seerish" comment about Eomer. I'm not saying this out of spite; it should be clear to anyone that Morm's post is fishy, apparently designed to create confusion. There may be an innocent explanation, but as it stands it looks very odd.

Normally I'd agree, but since it was Morm who posted it, well I'm conflicted. A bold bluff on his part to declare someone innocent. However it could just be one good old joke from games past or he's trying to lead us off the scent. He's crafty like that. I find Morm extremely hard to pin down until a few days in and even then I'm only sure of him when he's dead, because, well, all doubt is removed when someone bites the big one.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm not storming off - I'meant if more players want to get rid of me, they can go ahead and vote for me.

Rikae I think you are experienced enough to know better than to react like this! The way I see it, Morm was taking a chance and voting for you to see your reaction. Keep in mind that we have retractable votes, so such an early vote means nothing, as long as Morm is around later on today.

And yet, your defensiveness is bound to raise some eyebrows. I know that it is part of your playing style, but boy did you over-react to Morm's pretty much random accusation!

Of course, Morm's randomness is also a good tactic for avoiding suspicion... if we call him on "playing too safe" he'll say that being random is not safe gameplay... if we call him on "playing randomly" he'll say that at least he's taking a chance, and such reckless behaviour would not be what a wolf would do.

Ugh, werewolfing gives me headaches.

For now, I'm keeping an eye on Rikae, Folwren Macalure and Morm (in that order).

Rikae really jumped at Morm's accusations.
Folwren has a valid point as a reply to my accusation of a flip-flop, but my gut tells me otherwise... and my guy is right much more often than my brains
Macalure wrote a really long and pretty much useless post. If we had a seer I might have thought it was a seer leaving hints, but since there's no such thing... cobbler anyone?
Lastly, I tend to suspect completely random and mostly "joking" posts, thus Morm qualifies... but I don't suspect him as much as the other three.

[mormegil]

No I have no reason to vote early and will be hanging around and dancing quite a bit yet. My vote was for the reason stated. Not anything personal or meant to be offensive simply to slow down posting a bit, it seems to have the opposite effect.

Kath I never said you make a good wolf I did say

but normally she's evil and guilty not to mention mean and vindictive....I say kill her soon

Originally Posted by Rikae

Why? Because you're a seer? Oh, wait, we don't have one.

It appears that I may have been deceived on this point...let me look at the PM quickly no it doesn't say that I'm not ergo I dreamt of it and simply know that he's innocent though would make a fine revenge kill.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Kath

Rikae, morm obviously had to vote early for some reason. He has nothing to go on so he's picking on someone for a ridiculous reason, most probably to gauge reactions. It doesn't mean he hates you.

I beg to differ. That is not obvious. Morm's behavior in that first post is shocking and appauling to me. He says he is suspicious of Farael, but he will not suspect him because he says his suspicion of him is usually wrong, etc., etc. Twisted logic, if you ask me.

Eomer is innocent, he says. Trust him, he says. Has Eomer even posted?

Someone said Mac was a cobbler? Well, well, well! What about Morm?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Folwren: Feels un-Foleyish...

Yes. I am un-Foleyish. I am Countess Folwren. Not Foley this time.

Farael, I have answered you. I will not answer again.

I will not make an over all list of people and what I think of them until tomorrow, closer to closing time.

[Kitanna]

Well, if you actually read before voting, you would have seen that Farael was the one advocating lynching the silent ones, and I posted the list to point out that too many were silent to make that a viable strategy, and to try to get everyone posting, which was his stated reason for the "lynch the quiet ones" strategy.

Well in this "lynch the silent ones" campaign I'd say you come off a bit suspcious Rikae. Farael brings it up and, as Morm said, you begin making the most posts that are pointing out the silent ones. Now this seems like an attempt to be as unquiet as possible to avoid Farael's lynching of the quiet folk around here. That's one way to look at it.
However I've never really seen your playing style Rikae, so, I'm not sure how to find you. At the moment I am torn between thinking you an innocent trying to move the game along or a bumbling wolf that is trying to stay away from the quiet area due to Farael's idea of lynching them.

I think if I were a wolf, one thing I would certainly not do is lurk around the board silently until the silent ones began to be suspected, and then post immediately. That would be FAR too incriminating (after all, why would an innocent lurk?).

Not that Mac or Kitanna did that; I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Still, I'd keep an eye on them - or two.

Excuse me for being unable to speed read through forty-some posts when I get on.

[Rikae]

Kath, I remember you being an active player in past games; maybe not as much as Nogrod, but still involved.

I think if I were a wolf, one thing I would certainly not do is lurk around the board silently until the silent ones began to be suspected, and then post immediately. That would be FAR too incriminating (after all, why would an innocent lurk?).

Not that Mac or Kitanna did that; I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Still, I'd keep an eye on them - or two.

Edit: cross posted with Morm

[mormegil]

Kath is not generally the most active player, so to speak, but normally she's evil and guilty not to mention mean and vindictive....I say kill her soon.

[Kath]

Ooh you sneak morm! Just because I make a good wolf I get victimised.