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Old 01-06-2007, 08:14 PM   #1
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I also remembered that Khamul was also very close to the Ring once when he talked to the Gaffer, but he also didn't feel its presence, even though we know that he was, after the WK himself, the second best.
And that was in daylight.

I just noticed that one of the black riders reveals that knife that showed up on Weathertop, which suggests that the Witch King was at Crickhollow instead of Bree.
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Old 01-07-2007, 02:26 AM   #2
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In Reader’s Companion, Hammond & Scull quote Tolkien’s notes on the attack on Crickhollow. These are archived at Marquette and are the source of the Unfinished Tales chapter “Hunt for the Ring”.

Khaműl led the Nazgűl operating inside the Shire. The Witch-king was at Andrath, the narrow defile through which the Greenway passed between the Barrow-downs and the South Downs, from whence he visited the Barrow-downs and stirred up the barrow-wights.

When Frodo and his companions crossed the Brandywine River, Khaműl set one Nazgűl to watch the Brandywine Bridge, and sent two eastwards along the Great Road to report back to the Witch-king. Khaműl and the other Nazgűl from Dol Guldur (“his companion”) entered Buckland by the North Gate.
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…desiring to attract as little notice as possible he (mistakenly and against Sauron’s orders) sacrifices speed to stealth.
Khaműl and his companion search Buckland, but “they are at a loss,” since Buckland is not on the maps the Nazgűl took from Saruman’s spy. In the following citation from Reader’s Companion, p. 165, the material in square brackets appears in the text, since Hammond & Scull are in turn citing Tolkien’s notes.
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On 28 September they find Crickhollow at night, but do not attack although [Khaműl] is aware that the Ring has been, or is still, there. [Khaműl] ?lurks near, and [his companion] is sent to bring [the rider by the Bridge] and the horses. Road between Bridge and Bree is thus left unwatched. [Early on 29 September Khaműl and the other two Riders] come back to Crickhollow and watch it as the night passes.
The Tale of Years in “Appendix B” of RotK has these entries for September:
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28 The Hobbits captured by a Barrow-wight. Gandalf reaches Sarn Ford.
29 Frodo reaches Bree at night. Gandalf visits the Gaffer.
30 Crickhollow and the Inn at Bree are raided in the early hours. Frodo leaves Bree. Gandalf comes to Crickhollow, and reaches Bree at night.
Frodo left Crickhollow early on the morning of 26 September. On the same day, Khaműl gathered the other four Nazgűl who were with him. The Ring-bearer was already gone, but just gone; and it took Khaműl another two days to locate where he had been; then it took him another day to prepare an assault on the house. His orders were apparently to act as quickly as possible, but he “sacrifice[d] speed to stealth.” By doing this, Khaműl made an error at Crickhollow.

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Old 01-07-2007, 08:56 AM   #3
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I think that much of the text in "A Knife in the Dark" suggests some passage of time between the arrival of the first Nazgul and the attack..

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As he stared out into the gloom, a black shadow moved under the trees; the gate seemed to open of its own accord and close again without a sound. Terror seized him. He shrank back, and for a moment he stood trembling in the hall. Then he shut and locked the door.
The first Nazgul arrived and merely opened and closed the gate. I don't know if he changed his mind about attacking and waited for back up or if he was doing this as a terror tactic.

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The night deepened. There came the soft sound of horses led with stealth along the lane. Outside the gate they stopped, and three black figures entered, like shades of night creeping across the ground. One went to the door, one to the corner of the house on either side; and there they stood, still as the shadows of stones, while night went slowly on. The house and the quiet trees seemed to be waiting breathlessly.
There was a faint stir in the leaves, and a cock crowed far away. The cold hour before dawn was passing. The figure by the door moved. In the dark without moon or stars a drawn blade gleamed, as if a chill light had been unsheathed. There was a blow, soft but heavy, and the door shuddered.
"The night deepened" is an interesting sentence. I don't know what time qualifies as the deep of the night, but "deep" has an overtone of the middle or most intense part of something. As The Might already pointed out, "while night went slowly on" can imply a passage of time. The Nazgul didn't attack until just prior to dawn.


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Fatty Bolger had not been idle. As soon as he saw the dark shapes creep from the garden, he knew that he must run for it, or perish. And run he did, out of the back door, through the garden, and over the fields. When he reached the nearest house, more than a mile away, he collapsed on the doorstep. "No, no no!" he was crying "no, not me! I haven't got it! It was some time before anyone could make out what he was babbling about. At last they got the idea that enemies were in Buckland, some strange invasion from the Old Forest. And then they lost no more time"
Fatty didn't make a run when he saw the first shadow move under the trees, he ran when he saw "dark shapes creep from the garden". The words imply that he waited until all three Nazgul were there and moving toward the house.

The text seems to indicate that the Nazgul came and stood by the house while the night went slowly on and the house and the quiet trees waited breathlessly. Again, the sense of time passing.

Fatty had to run over a mile to the nearest house. His name suggests that he was not an accomplished long-distance runner, however fear and terror very likely put speed to his feet! But, once there, "It was some time" before anyone could figure out what he was saying. ONce they understood, they lost no more time in action. The Horn-call of Buckland sounded just as the Nazgul passed swiftly into the house.
So the Nazgul, at the very least, waited the amount of time for a fat hobbit to run over a mile and in a highly excited state of mind finally communicate the danger to others.

Thanks for all the great comments on this thread.

Another interesting fact of the Crickhollow event...the Nazgul carring Frodo's cloak and dropping it on the step as they ran.
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Old 01-07-2007, 12:16 PM   #4
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very good quote there Alcuin, I was not aware that these comments existed
so I guess the Nazgul did wait longer until they attacked instead of using spead
perhaps an explanation for this is Khamul's great weakness
We know he was second best in finding the ring after the Wk, but he was of the 9 the one who suffered most from sun light, so perhaps he sacrificed speed for stealth also because of his problem
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