Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

must admit that I was rather surprised that the three - now four - women all left separately.

Bella was pretty upset that the guys left, and when she told this to Mellonin and Argeleafa, they were cheery/optimistic but not very helpful/comforting (except to offer tea). I wouldn't go back to someone for comfort if last time they had said, "We all do; but there it is..." even if Mellonin was just trying to be strong on the outside. In my mind Bellyn left because she probably didn't think anyone would listen to her - really listen to her. Also probably because she was in a frantic state after the dream. I guess.

I'll assume then that Leafa has also left on her own, which seems desperately out of character for her; she had better have one whopping dream, seems to me.

Do you want us to go back and change what we have so they all leave together? It would be a lot of deleting/rewriting but we could do it...it sounds like you want to change it.

Just wondering...

[littlemanpoet]

No sense trying to sweep the spilled milk back into the bottle, though one may wish to cry over it.... No, don't change it. But Nuru, you are going to need one incredible dream for Leafa, or else she is going to have to be very convincing to get a bodyguard to go with her (which seems just as out of character....) (LMP shrugs). So no, don't change stuff. It's hard enough keeping this going without going back and editing. Ick.

[Nurumaiel]

Well, I'll have to think about it a bit. It seems to me that the more incredible the dream gets, the more likely it is that Leafa would go to someone about it.

Now, are all the ladies lodging together? Because if they are, and really if they aren't, and Bella has left nearly two days ago, I'm sure Leafa would have noticed by now. Or is my post supposed to be inserted somewhere earlier?

If the latter is the case, in other words all the ladies left the same night and I just have some catching up to do, then I might be able to come up with a possible scenario to get Leafa away without a wild dream.

If she had a dream, she would be the sort of girl to tell someone about it before she did anything. In that case, I could picture her going to Bella, finding that she's gone, and setting out after her, thinking she couldn't have gone too far. At that point Leafa could perhaps catch up with one or the other of the ladies, they could converse, and resolve to go on.

Does that sound plausible? I'm hoping to come up with something that doesn't involve an incredible dream... aside from the fact that even such an event probably wouldn't inspire Leafa to just leave, I don't want to worry about coming up with something astounding.

[littlemanpoet]

I'd say that we're looking at Leafa dreaming and leaving the same night. Thus, your scenario looks like it ought to work fine. I'd suggest that you post it to this thread, figure out where you want it on the story thread, and ask the person whose post precedes the location you desire, to add it to the end of his or her post. Agreeable?

[Nurumaiel]

That will work fine. I'll try to get a post done soon, after a rather stupid question...

What exactly is the nature of Leafa's dream supposed to be?

I'm afraid I've always been a bit fuzzy on the dream aspect of the story.

[littlemanpoet]

Well, that's a very good question, actually, because the nature of all of the dreams in this Tapestry have been such that the dreamer has a personal connection to the subject.

Aeron dreams of Gwyllian, his dead sister.
Raefindan dreams of Mithrellas because (according to Tolkien's system) he is Imrazor reincarnated.
et cetera.

So what would Argaleafa's connection be to anything having to do with Amroth's story?

I have but one suggestion that just creeped into my head based on one of the new characters in our Book 2: Celuien's character, Saethryd (Sæthryd), is Eorling, I believe. Perhaps Argaleafa and Sæthryd are related? Step-sisters? cousins? Second cousins? Third? Just imagine what kind of backstory might arise out of such a combination....

thus, Leafa could dream of Sæthryd....

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I have but one suggestion that just creeped into my head based on one of the new characters in our Book 2: Celuien's character, Saethryd (Sæthryd), is Eorling, I believe. Perhaps Argaleafa and Sæthryd are related? Step-sisters? cousins? Second cousins? Third? Just imagine what kind of backstory might arise out of such a combination....

thus, Leafa could dream of Sæthryd....

I really like that! I'd thought of a cousin who died wandering near the Paths as her connection to the dreams, but if it's okay for her to be related to Leafa, that would be very, very interesting.

[littlemanpoet]

I wonder what the proximity is between Rugh and Saethryd? Rugh would be somewhat near the forest of the Woses, whilst Saethryd would be probably a little farther west, but not much farther? Or is that wrong? You see, I'm wondering if it's possible to have Jorje sniff out Saethryd too?

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I wonder what the proximity is between Rugh and Saethryd? Rugh would be somewhat near the forest of the Woses, whilst Saethryd would be probably a little farther west, but not much farther? Or is that wrong? You see, I'm wondering if it's possible to have Jorje sniff out Saethryd too?

I need to look at a map again, but she probably is a little bit to the west.

[littlemanpoet]

Nicely done, Immy.

And so we have ourselves a bit of a pickle. Ædegard and Raefindan are going to stay true to their word despite what they might WANT to do. The only way out of this is for Mellondu to decide to go after the women. ..... right?

[Formendacil]

Depends what you mean by "a way out of it"... Is it fact, then, that the menfolk are going to pursue the ladies? It wasn't exactly clear thus far...

~Bergil's Writer, who now has no plot, but will drift until some decision is made~

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Depends what you mean by "a way out of it"... Is it fact, then, that the menfolk are going to pursue the ladies? It wasn't exactly clear thus far...

It had always been my understanding that the men would go after the women; but that need not be so. In fact, the party of men could "break their fellowship"; the notion does have precedent.

~Bergil's Writer, who now has no plot, but will drift until some decision is made~

Do you have interest in continuing to write in Tapestry?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Do you have interest in continuing to write in Tapestry?

If Tapestry is willing to keep me, that was the plan...

My "plan", so far as I had one was to get Bergil to the menfolk, and see what happened from there. Well, I'm there... now to see what happens. Basically, I was saying that I'm done all that I had prepared for mentally. Not knowing what the menfolk are doing, I can't really say I know what Bergil's doing.

[littlemanpoet]

What drives Bergil? Why does he do what he does? What does he care about? What doesn't he care about? Whom does he respect highly, and why?

See, you need some motivation for this character beyond plot, or else he will remain passive, which seems out of character for the Bergil we read of in LotR.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Let me know if I should change anything/everything...

[littlemanpoet]

I like it! A lot! I have only one minor request for change. As you have seen from my post just above yours, I'm shooting for Raefindan to be frankly dense to any such possibility as Angela standing before him in the person of Indil, for at least a while. Maybe for a long time. Despite all the signs. So he's not going to connect them on his own.

Raefindan looked from Bergil to the elves and back to the child, kneeling to her height. Her eyes... why did her eyes look so...

I like this, a lot, yet it suggests that Raefindan is actually open minded enough to consider that maybe, just maybe, he should know these eyes from somewhere. He simply isn't going to get it. So perhaps if I may suggest the following, though I will not hold you to it, exactly; in fact, feel free to debate me:

Raefindan looked from Bergil to the elves and back to the child, kneeling to her height. Her eyes were soft brown. He liked her eyes; maybe because they were so curious and open-to-life.

So she's not a dead ringer for Angela after all, is she?

Here are some interesting things to keep on the front burner now that we're finally to this point (can you tell I'm excited?):

Originally Posted by alak

I know we're not this far along in building this line of the story as the actual character is not yet created, but...what if Erebemlin & company discovered a fevered woman...somewhere...and Erebemlin (or Taitheneb as he's more understanding of humans) tries to bring her out and steps into her dream and...and find Mithrellas or more clues as to Nimrodel's location or something that makes them realize this woman needs to be kept around...

Originally Posted by Feanor

I need a plausible reason for a female to be able to wander ME w/o family or well-meaning folks taking her in for the sake of propriety.

young orphan? 4-7

as a child, she'd be open to more things...

open-minded toward the supernatural; not yet given to the prejudices of her society

also more likely to ask questions
to bind the group against Thoronwë's desires
to be controlled by Thoronwë's mind

would need Elvish supervision?
and female travelling companions

dreams of Mithrellas & Imrazor through bloodline
nightmares of dying parents
and of Angela

And for my own sake, I'm making THIS available here and now.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

So perhaps if I may suggest the following, though I will not hold you to it, exactly; in fact, feel free to debate me:

Works for me. I'll edit it in now.

[littlemanpoet]

So would it be feasible for Jorje in his travels with Rugh to somehow sniff out Saethryd?

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

So would it be feasible for Jorje in his travels with Rugh to somehow sniff out Saethryd?

I think so. She's definitely a presence.

[Firefoot]

As long as Saethryd wanders a fair way east from Dunharrow now and again (Rugh doesn't get that far west...), I think so. Like... is it plausible that she would ever get as far as Firien Wood? Because I think that initially you and I had imagined our characters' typical domains as being on opposite sides of the mountains.

[Celuien]

My mistake. She is, in fact, on the other side of the mountains (the Gondor side). She wanders, but it's probably still a fairly long walk to the wood. I don't know the exact distance - maybe about a day.

[littlemanpoet]

Okay, therefore, if I understand the Rugh and Saethryd characters, to be loners and wanderers only in their own domains, then Jorje would have to leave Rugh in order to find Saethryd ... which isn't realistic unless Jorje starts having dreams.

Therefore, it seems to me that it is going to be the women who run across Rugh and Jorje, and then after that Jorje and the women (presumably with Rugh) will happen across Saethryd about a day later. Does that make sense?

[littlemanpoet]

Tomorrow, when I get a chance (or as soon as I get a chance), I'll write a post in which Jorje, with Rugh, is almost run over by a horse with a female rider. I'll leave it vague so that one of you can choose to be the rider.

It occurred to me, also, that this rpg (character, or plot based?) may be suffering from a lack of enemies. Thoughts?